Shadow Collective VS Early Rebel Alliance

Originally posted by Selenial
It's not just that, the rebellion just fall short in every regard :/

Force Users? Shadow Collective.
Elite Units? Death Watch > SpecForce
Standard Units? Underworld mercenaries outnumber and outskill the rebel troops.
Technology advantage? Shadow Collective has the entirety of the underworld, and Black Sun's "Limitless funding and reach".

Tacticians? I mean I guess you can argue the rebellion tacticians are better simply due to the SC's lack of exposure, but even then, the SC simply perform better at the tactics that would be employed. They're better at shadow warfare than the rebels are...

What has the Death Watch shown that puts them above Rebel SpecForce? You really think DW Mandos are gonna be superior in skill, to those guys who are specifically trained in what they do?

Force Users, ok i'll give you that.

....Underworld mercenaries outskill the Rebel Troopers?....What?

If they do, it's hardly by much, your best Rebel Trooper jack of all trades and able to make a difference no matter who they are up against. The common Rebel Trooper is noted as inventive and ferocious fighters and don't fear death.

Also again, you guys are still overlooking the fact that the Rebels are a crafty bunch, doing anything they can to survive, being unpredictable. Mercenaries aren't going to have that luxery, at least not every single one of them.

They also won't have that comradely that the Rebel Troopers are known for which makes them great as far as teamwork is involed.

Also no, the SC doesn't have the unlimited resources of the Black Sun. The one that joined the SC was just a faction of the Black Sun, it wasn't the whole entirely.

The Rebels also have a great tech advantage themselves, they are used to going to the Black Market, they have old Clone Wars era tech at their disposal...what has the SC shown in terms of technology that would help them on ground combat?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
What has the Death Watch shown that puts them above Rebel SpecForce? You really think DW Mandos are gonna be superior in skill, to those guys who are specifically trained in what they do?

Force Users, ok i'll give you that.

....Underworld mercenaries outskill the Rebel Troopers?....What?

If they do, it's hardly by much, your best Rebel Trooper jack of all trades and able to make a difference no matter who they are up against. The common Rebel Trooper is noted as inventive and ferocious fighters and don't fear death.

Also again, you guys are still overlooking the fact that the Rebels are a crafty bunch, doing anything they can to survive, being unpredictable. Mercenaries aren't going to have that luxery, at least not every single one of them.

They also won't have that comradely that the Rebel Troopers are known for which makes them great as far as teamwork is involed.

Also no, the SC doesn't have the unlimited resources of the Black Sun. The one that joined the SC was just a faction of the Black Sun, it wasn't the whole entirely.

The Rebels also have a great tech advantage themselves, they are used to going to the Black Market, they have old Clone Wars era tech at their disposal...what has the SC shown in terms of technology that would help them on ground combat?

And several smugglers, mercs and bounty hunters joined the Alliance too 👆

Originally posted by Zenwolf
There were regular B1s,SBDs, Droidekas and Magnaguards there.

Also I'm gonna point out one thing, that battle that many like to bring up, the SC had the advantage of terrain, a base and heavy firepower in the form of ground based laser cannons.

There's also the fact that again...the CIS just likes to send waves of droids at their enemies to overwhelm them.

Wanna know what then happened? The CIS won that battle regardless despite the fact they didn't have the tech of nothing more than blasters and overwhelming numbers. Sure Grevious lost all his forces, but again...that was a straight up engagement.

Jeez people just because the SC has DW Mandos doesn't make this an instant win for them.

They are fighting a completely different enemy here, that and the fact later on, the remaining SC was overwhelmed and beaten yet again by the CIS.

So let's not talk as if the SC is some unbeatable force just because it has Mandalorians.

Are they good? Yes

Did they defeat the CIS droids while sustaining heavy loses themselves? Yes

Are they fighting a straight droid force here? No

Are they fighting an under handed, guerrilla based faction? Yes

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I didn't see B1s. Looked like just commando droids, super battle droids, droidekas, and magnaguards.

They look like B1s to me.

is that part of the first issue? Because I honestly cannot find it in that first issue.

Part of the 2nd, though they appear in pretty much all the issues.

A Death Watch soldier = Rebel Commando squadron.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Part of the 2nd, though they appear in pretty much all the issues.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yeah, I didn't see any of them in that battle with the mandalorians in the first issue. Perhaps a few on the bridge of the ship, but none on the ground. The ground forces in the first issue seemed to be entirely made up of commando droids, super battle droids, droidekas, and magnaguards.

Couldn't be Commando Droids, those guys aren't made for frontline and are too costly for straight up battles to just throw away and they weren't produced in many number.

So B1s make more sense to send emass with the SBDs, Droidekas and the like.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Couldn't be Commando Droids, those guys aren't made for frontline and are too costly for straight up battles to just throw away and they weren't produced in many number.

So B1s make more sense to send emass with the SBDs, Droidekas and the like.

In any case, the SBDs Droidekas and Magnaguards are the most visually distinguishable. When looking at the one other unit present in that battle, they lack the telltale antenna on their backs B1s have and BXs don't, they possess the telltale circle on the left side of their chests BXs possess and B1s don't, and when viewed close enough they possess the angular line across their forehead (which seems to denote BXs in this series) rather than the simple curved line across their forehead (which seems to denote B1s in this series).

Wait ok I double checked, the 1st battle there does seem to be the BXs, though why they are being treated as common infantry..is just retarded.

The 2nd battle though, they were def B1 battle droids as the command signal was shut down and they shut down in turn and all had the antennae.

But anyway through all this, the RA aren't gonna be opting for straight firefights here and just send droves of their forces in a straight line to die.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Wait ok I double checked, the 1st battle there does seem to be the BXs, though why they are being treated as common infantry..is just retarded.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
The 2nd battle though, they were def B1 battle droids as the command signal was shut down and they shut down in turn and all had the antennae.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I actually found the idea of the Seperatists for once using an entirely elite droid strike force devoid of B1s to combat an army with far more impressive soldiers than their used to dealing with to be an interesting and fitting idea. And based on the fact that the droid forces were all but exhausted in that battle, I think they would've been straight ****ed if they used B1s instead of BXs.

I guess, but when the BXs are costly and not made in great quantities, it's kinda wasteful when you send them for straight combat. When they could have been used for a more sabotaging mission or something against the SC, to soften up their forces.

But I digress.

Yeah, but I think Sheev's goals take precedence over separatist logistics.