can anybody beat world breaker hulk with strength alone?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
1. Validus- Beating PC Superboy and Mon-El at the same damn time!

2. Superman Prime- Breaching Monarch's armor

3. Superboy Prime- Physically rearranging a solar system.

Banner's arms are too weak to box with these combatants.

PC characters power fluctuates though.

How powerful do you have to be to breach Monarch armor? Could Indestructible Hulk do it? Think about it, this same Hulk punched through a force field that Exaliber was unable to pierce.

Superboy Prime pushed planets. Indestetruble Hulk held suns on his back. See the difference here. If space cheese is all you are looking for, Savage Hulk stomps World Breaker.

How big was that sun?

Batman has held multiple suns in his hand.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How big was that sun?

Batman has held multiple suns in his hand.

Do you know the difference between something being called a star in comparison to something being called a sun?

If Batman held suns in his hand (which he didn't....you're talking about his suit that had miniature suns concealed in his gloves) then Batman is a beast.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you know the difference between something being called a star in comparison to something being called a sun?

If Batman held suns in his hand (which he didn't....you're talking about his suit that had miniature suns concealed in his gloves) then Batman is a beast.

Yes. A sun is a star that has planets orbiting it. All suns are stars, not all stars are suns.

Yes, Batman had multiple, MULTIPLE, suns contained within each pod. And each glove had multiple pods. So conservatively, he had 20-30 suns in each glove.

Here is the scan:

Does that make the Justice Buster suit 20/30 times as strong as Hulk? And DCnU Superman, whilst mind-controlled, was taking those punches, even though they were spitting out red sun rads.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you know the difference between something being called a star in comparison to something being called a sun?

If Batman held suns in his hand (which he didn't....you're talking about his suit that had miniature suns concealed in his gloves) then Batman is a beast.

Um, why are we talking about Batman holding suns again?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes. A sun is a star that has planets orbiting it. All suns are stars, not all stars are suns.

Yes, Batman had multiple, MULTIPLE, suns contained within each pod. And each glove had multiple pods. So conservatively, he had 20-30 suns in each glove.

Here is the scan:
http://nerdsdofundao.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/batman36-4-666x1024.jpg

Does that make the Justice Buster suit 20/30 times as strong as Hulk? And DCnU Superman, whilst mind-controlled, was taking those punches, even though they were spitting out red sun rads.

Smart man. A sun is a star but the difference is a sun has orbiting planets and it's huge in size compared to a 'star'. Stop trying so hard to lowball Hulk fts. We both know Batman those suns were not the same weight as a real sun, especially considering the person who shrunk those suns. I remember when you brought that up before and ODG stomped you with scans on the inventor shrinking things that didn't contain the same weight it had before being shrunk. Stop trying so hard.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Um, why are we talking about Batman holding suns again?

Lol...Thats Darksaint doing that in an attempt to lowball Hulk fts. It's his goal to downplay Hulk.

Outside the skyfather tier and without outside amps i can only think of prime who could slug it out with him at win.

Originally posted by carver9
Smart man. A sun is a star but the difference is a sun has orbiting planets and it's huge in size compared to a 'star'. Stop trying so hard to lowball Hulk fts. We both know Batman those suns were not the same weight as a real sun, especially considering the person who shrunk those suns. I remember when you brought that up before and ODG stomped you with scans on the inventor shrinking things that didn't contain the same weight it had before being shrunk. Stop trying so hard.

Wait, when did ODG stomp me on it? Link?

Correction: we know for a fact they do not have the same SIZE. Ray, pre-52, COULD alter his mass, I agree - but he could also punch, whilst shrunk, with his full mass (that's how he could punch people out). IOW, you cannot say for certain how much mass there is.

So how heavy was the sun on Hulk's back? All we know from the dialogue was that it was a sun. All we know from Batman's dialogue is that he has multiple suns. You're trying to add things that aren't there - I'm just going by what's on panel.

As it is, IF you want to take PM's dialogue at face value, that's fine. It means she has stellar level strength (look how easily she throws her sun-mass spear!), and Luke Cage is just that damn durable (even her greatest punches couldn't put him down!) On top of that, Wakandan soldiers who were stabbed by the spear weren't crushed into atoms by having a sun poking through their shoulder.

And IF you want to take her dialogue at face value, and ignore what mass the sun-level spear may or may not have, then you should be consistent, and take Batman's dialogue at face value.

Because saying, 'oh, logically, Batman is just a human, don't be stupid he can't have a suit capable of carrying multiple suns' worth of weight' should be applied equally.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Thats Darksaint doing that in an attempt to lowball Hulk fts. It's his goal to downplay Hulk.

Because DCnU Superman, who is far weaker than say SBP, was tanking punches from a suit capable of holding multiple suns. Whilst it was spitting red suns, and whilst he was poisoned.

So if he can tank punches from such a beast, SBP would be laughing at them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Wait, when did ODG stomp me on it? Link?

Correction: we know for a fact they do not have the same SIZE. Ray, pre-52, COULD alter his mass, I agree - but he could also punch, whilst shrunk, with his full mass (that's how he could punch people out). IOW, you cannot say for certain how much mass there is.

So how heavy was the sun on Hulk's back? All we know from the dialogue was that it was a sun. All we know from Batman's dialogue is that he has multiple suns. You're trying to add things that aren't there - I'm just going by what's on panel.

As it is, IF you want to take PM's dialogue at face value, that's fine. It means she has stellar level strength (look how easily she throws her sun-mass spear!), and Luke Cage is just that damn durable (even her greatest punches couldn't put him down!) On top of that, Wakandan soldiers who were stabbed by the spear weren't crushed into atoms by having a sun poking through their shoulder.

And IF you want to take her dialogue at face value, and ignore what mass the sun-level spear may or may not have, then you should be consistent, and take Batman's dialogue at face value.

Because saying, 'oh, logically, Batman is just a human, don't be stupid he can't have a suit capable of carrying multiple suns' worth of weight' should be applied equally.

Here you go again. We know that he can shrink things and it wouldn't have its weight. If you want to think Hulk was struggling move from a sun the size of a baseball bat...then we have nothing to discuss here. It's your opinion.

Sigh...we clearly see Proxima activate something when the spear hits Hulk. Black energy circles his body. Spears turns another color, etc... stop trying so hard. This will be my last post on this.

Hulk held a sun on his back. Suns heat up planets. It's huge in size. I'm leaving it at that.

So you're saying Batman held the weight on suns in his hands? Yes or no?

Originally posted by carver9
Here you go again. We know that he can shrink things and it wouldn't have its weight. If you want to think Hulk was struggling move from a sun the size of a baseball bat...then we have nothing to discuss here. It's your opinion.

Sigh...we clearly see Proxima activate something when the spear hits Hulk. Black energy circles his body. Spears turns another color, etc... stop trying so hard. This will be my last post on this.

Hulk held a sun on his back. Suns heat up planets. It's huge in size. I'm leaving it at that.

So you're saying Batman held the weight on suns in his hands? Yes or no?

I'm saying he did. Multiple suns. As stated on panel. Yes.

However, I saying that due to their size, they didn't weigh all that much.

Same with Hulk. We don't know how much the sun on his back weighed. So trying to equate it to a full size sun is meaningless.

SBP, however, was pushing full size planets around. And doing it so quickly, they all thought that they were being teleported.

THAT is the point in trying to make. You writing 'Hulk held a sun on his back, SBP only pushed some planets around, Hulk is waaay stronger ' is not a good point.

Proxima Midnight must have star carrying strength too... Hmm..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying he did. Multiple suns. As stated on panel. Yes.

However, I saying that due to their size, they didn't weigh all that much.

Same with Hulk. We don't know how much the sun on his back weighed. So trying to equate it to a full size sun is meaningless.

SBP, however, was pushing full size planets around. And doing it so quickly, they all thought that they were being teleported.

THAT is the point in trying to make. You writing 'Hulk held a sun on his back, SBP only pushed some planets around, Hulk is waaay stronger ' is not a good point.

Then we do not need to continue this.

Her spear was said during this scene as being made from a sun. Not a partial sun, not 50% of the sun but the entire thing. Stop making absurd claims.

We know he had the entire sun on his back because it was said on panel. Nothing was ever said as anything being partial.

Heralds are planetary in power, Prime should be able to push planets...just like Hulk has powered through attacks with ease that was capable of throwing planets out of orbit.

I see what you are TRYING to do but your argument is boo boo though. It was said on panel that Hulk held a sun on his back...nothing of the sort was said about Batman and you are leaving out context in that showing. That the genius who put those suns on Batman knows how to manipulate the weight of things he shrunk/shrink. ODG stomped you when you brought that up before.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Proxima Midnight must have star carrying strength too... Hmm..

Don't act like Dark. You know what happened during that scene. She has to activate said abilities.

Wait, calling something a sun in no way says anything about its size. Same with a star. It's a description of composition and function, not size. This is like Bill Nye 101.

There's your thought for the day. Do with it what you will.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying he did. Multiple suns. As stated on panel. Yes.

However, I saying that due to their size, they didn't weigh all that much.

Same with Hulk. We don't know how much the sun on his back weighed. So trying to equate it to a full size sun is meaningless.

SBP, however, was pushing full size planets around. And doing it so quickly, they all thought that they were being teleported.

THAT is the point in trying to make. You writing 'Hulk held a sun on his back, SBP only pushed some planets around, Hulk is waaay stronger ' is not a good point.

Not necessarily. Stars have different states of density.

Originally posted by Digi
Wait, calling something a sun in no way says anything about its size. Same with a star. It's a description of composition and function, not size. This is like Bill Nye 101.

There's your thought for the day. Do with it what you will.

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100% agree.

If we're to attribute near mythical strength to Hulk because of some words, we should do the same for Bats, and thus, SM's durability.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
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100% agree.

If we're to attribute near mythical strength to Hulk because of some words, we should do the same for Bats, and thus, SM's durability.

Context to Batman. Stop acting crazy.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Proxima Midnight must have star carrying strength too... Hmm..