Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Carver is about one tenth the flaming fanboy you are. Unlike you, I've seen the man admit he was wrong about one of his pet characters. You are still in the full throes of denial.
Are you just going to keep cheerleading, or are you going to answer my earlier question?
Also, went from carter cheerleading you to you cheerleading carter. The cheerleading paradoxical loop.
Originally posted by Delta1938
It wasn't speculation that Eradicator was influencing him. But first, let's take a look at a couple statements in the issue.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/th_AOS464-PG18.jpg["SCIENCE MUST PREVAIL OVER HIS BARBARISM!!"
Well, that doesn't seem like the mindset of a very good fighter.
What else?
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/th_AOS464-PG18.jpg
"--science--has once again triumphed over raw brute force." "--it was easy to conclude that trickery would prove more productive than fighting." Yeah, not the words of someone who's going to try too hard. Oh, but you said that nowhere was it shown Eradicator was influencing him? Why exactly is he wondering how he was able to use the Kryptonian Warsuit so well? When they've got the Eradicator right in view as I've pointed out?
Still not convinced that Eradicator hadn't influenced him? Superman realizes it had been doing it for months.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/th_AC652-PG19.jpg/quote
Let's take a look at the whole sequence chronologically.
Here Superman tries to fight Lobo physically, and proceeds to get beaten up pretty badly, Superman himself says Lobo is too strong and quick. Notice Superman's personality is still normal, and note the last scan: the Eradicator only started to overtly influence Superman to be more logical after Superman asked for help.
Afterwards, Superman starts to fight a bit smarter. He tricks Lobo into bashing his head into a hologram, and then tries to physically fight Lobo right after. Superman still gets beaten up. At the end, he flees in order to get into the war suit to distract Lobo away from finding the kryponite in his fortress.
It's only after Superman failed to beat Lobo physically, did he opt for a smarter and logical strategy via using the Kryponian war suit under the Eradicator's influence (which you posted the scans for).
You tried to initially claim Superman avoided a physical fight and opted to fight more logically. The scans above show otherwise--Superman only opted for the logical option AFTER he failed to beat Lobo physically, twice.
Also, as for me supposedly breaking a rule?http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
Everything it refers to is online. Nothing mentioned about what an editor says in the letter pages. Since it seems the rule is in place for people using stuff that is questionable if it actually was a writer, I'm pretty sure the letter pages don't qualify.
The letter pages you posted were from the late 80s up to very early 90s. That was almost 25 years ago. Social media (e.g., Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, etc.) didn't exist back then, and neither did major comic book news websites like CBR or Newsarama.
Obviously the editor answering physical fan-mail back then is the equivalent of today's editors/writers answering fan question electronically e.g., social media, websites, and etc. Why wouldn't the forum rules retroactively apply to editors answering physical fan mail in the 80s and early 90s?
Regardless though, your claim of the editor confirming the Eradicator was negatively influencing Superman's fighting ability wasn't true. The editor confirmed no such thing in the fan-mail scan you posted.
Saying a willingness to kill means you're going to go all out is dumb. Superman was cold and logical, not bloodlusted. Superman had previously beaten Draaga when WEAKENED from lack of solar energy, and he was, power-wise, back to normal when they fought during his influence under Eradicator. Him being so willing to kill Draaga was purely seen as logical, he actually talked about respecting Draaga's culture.http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/th_AOS465-PG05.jpg
The Eradicator was suppressing Superman's emotions, and was inhibiting his morality in exchange for ruthless logic. Superman's morals is what makes him hold back normally in fights, but with the Eradicator's influence, those morals were being dulled. This means in a fight, when logic dictates, Superman is much more willing to use deadly force whereas before he would hold back.
Case in point, when Superman killed Zod and his team he was psychologically scarred and extremely traumatized from the experience. When the Eradicator influenced him, Superman didn't think twice about killing Draaga--his own parents (the Kents) were shocked and drew the comparison.
http://s8.postimg.org/vh5tksn11/P00200.jpg
Now please explain to me, how is a morally uninhibited Superman who fights with his brains, suppose to be a detriment in battle? He was by no means a pacifist, quite the opposite actually.
Maxima he bitchslapped to a KO. What exactly is that supposed to prove other than he was that above her?
When Superman beats up Maxima while being influenced by the Eradicator, the Eradicator had nuthin' to do with it!
Double-standard much? Not to mention a clear attribution bias in favour of Superman.
So, if no KO occurred, why is Lobo holding a grudge over it?Unless you think he stays mad over every time he gets hit in a fight but only occasionally mentions the need to get back at them?
So how exactly does Lobo being mad at Superman for bashing his head with Lar's prove he was knocked out? Please walk me through your impeccable logic.
Lobo could've been stunned, perfectly fine, or badly hurt and still hold a grudge. Point is, we don't know because there is no art, narration, or character statement that indicate they were unconscious. So again, why assume so?
BTW, you're clearly displaying yet another double-standard in favour of Superman here:
Konvikt clearly knocks Superman unconscious, we see Superman laying on the ground eyes closed and limp, yet you deny he's knocked out. On the other hand, you're willing to claim Lobo and Lar Gand were knocked out, even though there's zero art or narration suggesting so. Your double-standard in favour of Superman is pretty explicit here.
He didn't finish the fight, which I would think would kinda be something relevant to trying to argue Thor winning here, and got KOed in the end. Unless you're going to argue that only Lobo was KOed. Or, better yet, argue neither were KOed and Lobo held a grudge for being attacked in a fight he jumped into.
So that means we should dismiss Odin beating Thanos because it never concluded right? We should dismiss Zeus physically beating Hulk because he wasn't KO'd right? We should dismiss E-Vell beating up Nova and Surfer because they weren't knocked out right?
Obviously fights that don't "conclude" still contain useful information for forum fights. The fact is Lar Gand had Superman on the ropes in their fight, and was about to kill him, had Lobo not interrupted.
You posted the very scans. She says "Superman" which counted enough as a name, saying it is all that was required. But here.http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/media/AC662-PG05.jpg.html
Superman is clearly knocked out and limp bodied in the scan before she says his name. And just because Banshee casually mentions his name mid-conversation, doesn't mean she's actively using her Banshee wail.
For example, here she says "Superman" mid conversation, and nothing happens.
http://postimg.org/image/tha2whdkb/
You know why? Because she wasn't actively using her wail--which she does in the next page.
http://postimg.org/image/xroqs2inf/
http://postimg.org/image/pg26ib017/
lol Metallo couldn't be moved as long as he was touching the ground. Did you even read your own scans? Knocking him around and effecting him doesn't mean he was winning considering he couldn't be moved in the traditional way. Superman literally kicked his head off.
