Originally posted by Galan007
If we only use their battles against n00b SSJ Goku as a reference, then Freeza wins.
Keep in mind the Goku that Cooler fought was at least several times stronger in the movie. This was a time after Namek, and probably around the Android preparation arc.
So Cooler lost to a more powerful, more experienced(with SSJ), no screwing around Goku and had to be blasted into the sun.
Frieza lost to a brand new SSJ Goku who was merciful enough to leave him alive.
Originally posted by KingD19It was Namek-era SSJ Goku.
Keep in mind the Goku that Cooler fought was at least several times stronger in the movie. This was a time after Namek, and probably around the Android preparation arc.So Cooler lost to a more powerful, more experienced(with SSJ), no screwing around Goku and had to be blasted into the sun.
Frieza lost to a brand new SSJ Goku who was merciful enough to leave him alive.
Not only did it take him a considerable amount of time/effort to transform, but his aura is also indicative of the Namek-era.
Here is his SSJ aura upon initially transforming in the film:
Here is his SSJ aura upon initially transforming on Namek:
Originally posted by KingD19
Keep in mind the Goku that Cooler fought was at least several times stronger in the movie. This was a time after Namek, and probably around the Android preparation arc.So Cooler lost to a more powerful, more experienced(with SSJ), no screwing around Goku and had to be blasted into the sun.
Frieza lost to a brand new SSJ Goku who was merciful enough to leave him alive.
He didn't HAVE to be blasted into the sun, he just happened to be killed that way. Goku could've done it other ways.
Originally posted by Galan007Movies are generally shit though in terms of even fighting.
Yeah, but n00b SSJ Goku stomped 5th form Cooler with laughable ease. Cooler wasn't even a challenge.Freeza, on the other hand, could at least put up a decent fight.
Villain stomps, powerup of some sort for the heroes, immediate end to the fight. Bojack, Broly, Android 13, Cooler, Janemba, Dragon Fisting the Dragon, Lord Slug, I forget the other movie villains but probably there too.
That being said, Goku should be around the timeframe where he was fingering Trunk's sword so he was a ways more powerful than when he fought Frieza. With that said, it was implied that Cooler trained to get his new form, so naturally he's a ***** in the long run compared to Frieza.
Plus I think it was said in the power levels that Cooler was somewhere along 470 million in his new form or something. Did he show it? lol
Originally posted by One Big MobIt would be closer to Namek-era Goku than Yardrat-era/'one year later' Goku, judging by the time/effort it took him to transform into a Super Saiyan. IF he was more powerful than his Namek-era self, the difference would have been marginal.
Goku should be around the timeframe where he was fingering Trunk's sword
Originally posted by Galan007Nah, it was the same year Trunks killed Frieza but after
It would be closer to Namek-era Goku than Yardrat-era/'one year later' Goku, judging by the time/effort it took him to transform into a Super Saiyan. IF he was more powerful than his Namek-era self, the difference would have been marginal.
That being said, he didn't really have difficulty transforming, he just yelled a lot. Certainly less effort expended than when we saw Trunks transforming against KK and Frieza.
Plus, even if it was before Trunks came, he still would have got a massive boost from the Frieza fight, the training afterwards, and the near death from Cooler.
Though it'd be interesting to see how many days or hours of training it would take Frieza to match Cooler. It would have been fun to see the similar form brothers fighting in animated form as well.