Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
One thing Claremont got right was that she's weaker and slower than Wolverine, though 😎
Advantages/disadvantages:
X-23
Additional weaponry (foot claw, duh. I'm disappointed whenever writers forget about it, the surprise footclawing was her trademark in the early days)
Agility (she leaps around more and is, like, 150 lbs lighter. No question)
Heals faster (apparently! She criticizes him on healing too slow on several bits)
Logan
More durable (skeleton, duh. Heavy hits that'll take down Laura which won't do the same to Logan)
Stronger (Skeleton means more mass behind his punches, and he's got thicker muscles)
Possibly faster? (When they actually fought they seemed pretty even on this to me. Dunno, never seen them get a run-off.)
Heals from worse (While Laura's is reportedly faster, it seems like her HF is a bit easier to overload, the burns-all-over from Nimrod was something Logan wouldn't need help to heal from)
Shorter (smaller target)
Actual fight against each other- showed 'em pretty darn even.
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Spider-man is still Peter Parker...right? I want Wolverine back
Peter Parker is one of the two active Spider-men. Logan is around as old man Logan.
Styletime
Not when Bendis writes either of them. Only Claremont's X-23 could possibly rank lower.
Yeeea, he does not get X-23's voice one bit.
X-Men is the shittiest it's been in a while thanks to him....which is saying a lot since most of the post-Second Coming stuff was shit anyway. All he did was give us a bunch of forgettable new mutants, with dumb stories to boot.
On that, I'll say I really liked the direction... at first. Mutant revolutionary? Cool idea. More confrontational, visiting rallies with pro-mutant human supporters which then get attacked by sentinels, SHIELD seems to be against them, the other half of the X-men are against them, etc..
Then what happens? Well... past the first few issues, he spends his time rescuing and training younger mutants like the X-men *always* do. He doesn't go out and poke the proverbial bear any more. It turns out Dark Beast was behind the SHIELD/Sentinel attacks, and Dazzler, who could be a legit 'good but opposed' person in SHIELD, gets replaced with Mystique. Hank brings the past X-men forward removing any high-ground he may have against Scott, and then Wolverine dies, and Captain America ages.
And thus, without actually doing all that much all the schism and AvX conflict is gone, just by beating two actual-villains and Scott's hero rivals removing themselves from the picture with no personal resolutions between them. So finally he just gives up and hands things to... Storm, who everyone on both sides always liked anyway. Which makes sense but it's just so very anti-climatic.
I do kinda like the O5 brought to the future, but compared to pre-Second Coming, this X era just feels shallow, the main conflict lacks followup.
I was hoping it would be Gladiator. So carver would joygasm for once.
But yeah, I am not a fan of this shoehorning. Legacy characters are fine to have swaps - if it makes sense.
Green Lanterns? Sure, why should they always be Americans?
Hulks? I .....guess? I mean, anyone can become a Hulk, with the right gamma rads.
Thor? Bit too much.
Don't do it just to pander. When you have to rewrite canon just to make someone fit, or to engage in wordplay and mental gymnastics (as with Thor), you know it's shallow as hell.
Give us some Chinese mutants, for once! Why are all the Omega levels white Americans?? Mutants are random, after all - and where are the largest population centers??
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hulks? I .....guess? I mean, anyone can become a Hulk, with the right gamma rads.
It's not that simple.
Banner's the special case, having inherited the damaged DNA from his father or whatever it was.
Marvel contradicts themselves a lot though, creating new gamma characters all the time and repowering Bruce even though the same writer (Pak) said it would be impossible, etc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thor? Bit too much.
Thor's got legacies dating back to Beta Ray Bill and Masterson.
There's been multiple times the hammer has been passed on.
Don't do it just to pander. When you have to rewrite canon just to make someone fit, or to engage in wordplay and mental gymnastics (as with Thor), you know it's shallow as hell.
I don't think 'pandering' is the right word. It's an industry based on selling things to begin with, appealing to the audience is the job, and it's not like these are lowest-common-demoninator stories, there's clearly a lot of planning and foresight to them. If all the characters were suddenly wearing only-thongs below the waste (Male *and* female), then I'd call that pandering ^^ Heck, 'pandering' can be good, Sinestro Corp war was a giant pandering to fans of GL history what with all the Moore callbacks.
Always pushing the old heroes can also be called pandering. Events are pandering to the crowd who likes them, avoiding events is pandering to the crowd that doesn't.
Give us some Chinese mutants, for once! Why are all the Omega levels white Americans?? Mutants are random, after all - and where are the largest population centers??
That's a good question. It seemed like Wanda's no-more-mutants was most likely to miss mutants she knew.
The most notable ethnically Chinese mutant I can think of is Jubilee.
Xorn's a high level Chinese mutant... if he exists... eh, Xorn, who knows, who cares.
How other countries handle mutants and showing their mutant populations would be an interesting thing.