TCW Anakin vs. HoT

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Trocity Undefeated and Undisputed
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Except saber ability

No.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Except saber ability, which the HoT specializes in, being a Jedi Guardian and all.

Which is actually the most retarded thing said yet since Anakin is, you know, a Jedi Guardian.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This guy...

Not only did the HoT not defeat Malgus solo, no matter how many times you masterbatorially keep posting that, but he didn't even defeat Vitiate four times in a row. Or any times for that matter. He fought a crippled Emperor on Kaas, and a few possessed maniacs on Ziost. That's it. Even then, that being the HoT isn't even guaranteed.

It's one of numerous possibilities supported by actual story developments.

Defeated Kira possessed by Vitiate.
Killed the Voice on Kaas.
Defeated Surro possessed by Vitiate.
KOTFE Spoilers:

Spoiler:
Assassinates Valkorion in the light side path

If you really need to power scale here we know the HoT is much more powerful and skilled than the likes of Aryn Leneer and Gnost-Dural.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Arann assassinates Vitiate, not the Hero, lol.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by AncientPower
It's one of numerous possibilities supported by actual story developments.

And none of those possibilities happened because canonically, the HoT went with three of his best buddies and fought Malgus until he fell down a shaft.

Defeated Kira possessed by Vitiate.

Which is not Vitiate, and was a weak CoE at that.

Killed the Voice on Kaas.

Still not Vitiate at anything remotely close to resembling his true power.

Defeated Surro possessed by Vitiate.

Not Vitiate. Seriously. It's Vitiate controlling the body of someone else, and unless it's a Voice, it's nowhere near as powerful as him.

KOTFE Spoilers:
Spoiler:
Assassinates Valkorion in the light side path


Again, that's not even confirmed the HoT, but going off the assumption that it is, it's also with the help of Marr. Even then it's with the assumption that Vitiate didn't want that to happen, because the big bad of the entire series would totally be defeated at full strength in the Second Chapter of half of an expansion.

If you really need to power scale here we know the HoT is much more powerful and skilled than the likes of Aryn Leneer and Gnost-Dural.

Who Anakin would completely tool. The HoT won't be tooling Leneer or Gnost-Dural.

Selenial I Choose Violence

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This guy...

Not only did the HoT not defeat Malgus solo, no matter how many times you masterbatorially keep posting that,

👆 x1000

It's confirmed in about 167 sources that Malgus fought off a strike team, I don't know why people think it's acceptable to say "Malgus choked out four people" in one thread and turn around saying "HoT out skilled Malgus alone" in another.

The ****ing smuggler says he outdrew Malgus, you all happy to concede that Greedo could take Malgus on now or what?

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

While we're at it, the HoT also fought Vitiate hundreds to a little over a thousand of times, given the literal thousands Vitiate possessed on Ziost. Not one loss.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Hero of Tython is arguably the most powerful Jedi of his era. He should be able to handle most individuals [1 on 1] including Anakin Skywalker.

RPG games don't tell you everything, they make a character's position murky instead. People used to argue that Revan had companions on his side who enabled him to succeed in difficult scenarios but Revan turned out to be a powerhouse in the lore. Hero of Tython gets similar promotion in the lore.

It won't surprise me if Hero of Tython is really strong like Luke Skywalker or Yoda in Legends.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
This guy...

Not only did the HoT not defeat Malgus solo, no matter how many times you masterbatorially keep posting that, but he didn't even defeat Vitiate four times in a row. Or any times for that matter. He fought a crippled Emperor on Kaas, and a few possessed maniacs on Ziost. That's it. Even then, that being the HoT isn't even guaranteed.


See below.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And none of those possibilities happened because canonically, the HoT went with three of his best buddies and fought Malgus until he fell down a shaft.

Members of this Strike Team are not officially identified. Therefore, it is pointless to discuss Hero of Tython in this context.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Still not Vitiate at anything remotely close to resembling his true power.

Yes, but Vitiate was still the most dangerous individual in the galaxy. Among all Jedi in the galaxy, Hero of Tython was deemed as the only Jedi capable of challenging and assassinating Vitiate's Voice. Even the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order refused to partake in this mission.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Who Anakin would completely tool. The HoT won't be tooling Leneer or Gnost-Dural.

Its really a stretch to assume that Skywalker can tool Aryn Leener. This hypothetical confrontation is likely to push Skywalker to his limits since Leener is a powerhouse as well (with solid feats).

Originally posted by Selenial
👆 x1000

It's confirmed in about 167 sources that Malgus fought off a strike team, I don't know why people think it's acceptable to say "Malgus choked out four people" in one thread and turn around saying "HoT out skilled Malgus alone" in another.

The ****ing smuggler says he outdrew Malgus, you all happy to concede that Greedo could take Malgus on now or what?


It makes sense for the champion of one of the Force-using classes to be capable of challenging and defeating Darth Malgus [1 on 1] but BioWare decided not to treat Malgus as a story villain due to the character's sheer popularity and/or additional reasons.

Moreover, BioWare would not want to give the impression that a Republic Trooper or an Imperial Agent or a Bounty Hunter can challenge and tackle Malgus [1 on 1], no matter how good a character of one of these classes is in the lore. Therefore, it makes sense to put Malgus in a setting which requires a Strike Team to challenge him (Flashpoint or operation). Since False Emperor is not class-restricted, a Strike Team based opposition makes sense from both lore-based and gameplay perspective.

I don't think that BioWare could afford to make False Emperor class-restricted. This restriction would have caused an uproar that Force-using classes are being favored over others in the game.

However, in a strictly lore-based context, it is not far-fetched to assume that a champion of one of the Force-using classes can outgun Malgus in single combat.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

lmao

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
lmao

Remember these?

"You are stronger than any Jedi I have known" (Bengal Morr)

"I sense your power. Now I understand why Tarnis was no match for you..... Such skill. So much power. Impressive." (Lord Praven)

"You are the Jedi's finest." (Lord Scourge)

"You harness immense power." (Vitiate)

"The Hero of Tython. Your martial skills are legendary." (Lord Loyat)

"You are our greatest asset." (Supreme Chancellor Suresh)

- So now these are meaningless?

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Given that Anakin has better hype than that, yeah - they are. 👆

Darth Thor Senior Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Remember these?

"You are stronger than any Jedi I have known" (Bengal Morr)

"I sense your power. Now I understand why Tarnis was no match for you..... Such skill. So much power. Impressive." (Lord Praven)

"You are the Jedi's finest." (Lord Scourge)

"You harness immense power." (Vitiate)

"The Hero of Tython. Your martial skills are legendary." (Lord Loyat)

"You are our greatest asset." (Supreme Chancellor Suresh)

- So now these are meaningless?

Remember this:

"Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive" - Mace Windu ROTS Novel.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Yoda could ragdoll Anakin imo.

Darth Thor Senior Member
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yoda could ragdoll Anakin imo.

Probably yeah. Anakin's peak power was mostly seen applied in Saber combat. He hadn't mastered TK to the same level. That's why he never TK ragdolled the likes of Dooku, or even Kenobi.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Given that Anakin has better hype than that, yeah - they are. 👆

LMFAO at using Saresh as a source too.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Given that Anakin has better hype than that, yeah - they are. 👆

Anakin Skywalker have better hype then any Jedi. Your point is moot.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
LMFAO at using Saresh as a source too.

So a normal individual cannot have an understanding of capabilities of a Force-user? Hero of Tython have completed her assignments on multiple occasions and this was enough for her to formulate an opinion of him.

LOGIC, my friend. It is important.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Anakin Skywalker have better hype then any Jedi. Your point is moot.

That should only strengthen my point - not destroy it. 😬

You are using Hero's hype as an indication of his superiority over Anakin.

Anakin's hype is better, so the logic of using the Hero's is silly.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

So a normal individual cannot have an understanding of capabilities of a Force-user? Hero of Tython have completed her assignments on multiple occasions and this was enough for her to formulate an opinion of him.

LOGIC, my friend. It is important.


LMFAO X2 combo
>Saresh
>logic

I don't think you honestly have any idea who Saresh is if you think her being a muggle is the biggest problem with using her as a source.

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That should only strengthen my point - not destroy it. 😬

You are using Hero's hype as an indication of his superiority over Anakin.

Anakin's hype is better, so the logic of using the Hero's is silly.


Hero of Tython is not an adequately explored character in the context of feats. Therefore, we are forced to rely on his accomplishments, reputation, hype and known information about his opponents to evaluate him.

Anakin Skywalker's hype is meaningless because it is absolutely clear that he didn't acquire the capability to tap into his potential [in proper] on consistent basis and he wasn't the strongest Jedi in his era.

We don't really know who is better among these two but I get the impression from the available information that Hero of Tython is superior.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Anakin has plenty of accolades and hype relating to him as of RotS. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief, not all of his accolades relate just to his potential.