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Originally posted by jaden101
Even as someone in favour of wealth redistribution I still see the value of a space programme. Much more than a military industrial complex anyway. It should be the ultimate goal of humanity. The problem is short term profit making is winning out over every other measure of civilization.

Ah but you hit the nail on the head: it should be the ULTIMATE goal. For me it's akin to a 12 step program. You don't move on to step 2 until you've done step 1, you don't move on to step 3 until you've done step 2, and so on.

Though the military is no better when it comes to spending billions of dollars on shit we don't really need. Like that new fighter jet or whatever they have been building.

Hell I used to have a book that was all about the various shit the government has wasted our tax dollars on. We have quite literally paid for land that we already owned. We have spent money to build state of the art gymnasiums for friggin politicians.

Originally posted by jaden101
I can 100% guarantee that won't be the case.

Hmm so the sun producing less energy and heat, and the earth is going to get warmer? Okay I'll bite, besides them constantly spraying aluminum in the atmosphere, how?

President Obama apperantly called for a reduction in Carbon dioxide today to help prevent polluting.

So every body hold your breath for as long as you can.

Its the only way to save the world.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hmm so the sun producing less energy and heat, and the earth is going to get warmer? Okay I'll bite, besides them constantly spraying aluminum in the atmosphere, how?

The last solar cycle had the weakest max output in 100 years. That decade was still warmer than the previous which was warmer than the one before that which was warmer than the one before that. A trend which repeats all the way back to 1800 until the industrial revolution kicked in.

So if the sun went out, the world would get warmer still?

Works for me.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So if the sun went out, the world would get warmer still?

Obviously not but that's an irrelevant point. A system that retains more despite receiving less heat will get hotter than a system that receives more heat but retains less.

I'm presuming your initial point was related to last year's publication regarding a new "maunder minimum" which was recently corrected
http://astronomynow.com/2015/08/08/corrected-sunspot-history-suggests-climate-change-not-due-to-natural-solar-trends/

Even the researcher who published it, Valentina Zharkova rubbished the media reports that stated her researched meant a global cooling
http://fabiusmaximus.com/2015/08/10/browning-newsletter-solar-cycle-mini-ice-age-fears-88153/

Are you pushing climate change agenda that coincidentally coincides with this?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-climate-change-act-now-or-condemn-world-nightmare-n419071

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Are you pushing climate change agenda that coincidentally coincides with this?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/obama-climate-change-act-now-or-condemn-world-nightmare-n419071

Nope.

1. I'm not American and so have no agenda when it comes to US politics.

2. I've been saying the same thing for about 7 years now.

3. I used to be a skeptic until I read and read and read up on the issue.

Where is the hard evidence, and do you believe Geo Engineering Exists?

If only there were things like higher minimum wage, unions, more social services aimed at the poor, and more measures to make needed services like healthcare affordably available for the poor.

You know, all things Republicans *oppose*.

It is very ironic that Republicans try to use this topic as an attack, when they're against all the measures that fight it.

Hahah this has nothing to do with republicans.

Obama has been in charge for 8 years and gotten anything passed he needed. So your blame game won't work.

Another fail

As for the real issue it's the banks and untouchable rich families that run the banks. That the tax payers had to bail out.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The problem with Norway is when is the last time you have heard of any technological or medical breakthroughs? Have they even been to space?

I'm pretty sure they have done several breakthroughs in the market shares in which they are competitive.

Keep in mind Norway is not very populated, the sheer amount of people who devote their time and lives to develop newer technology is going to be forcibly smaller than in countries that have high living standards and more people.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hahah this has nothing to do with republicans.

Obama has been in charge for 8 years and gotten anything passed he needed. So your blame game won't work.

One, he's gotten almost nothing passed since the ACA, we actually have a historically obstructionist period, where the Republicans in congress have taken up the banner of the 'party of No' openly, focusing on preventing Obama from doing much and even shutting down the government to try and prevent stuff from happening.

Two, even so, he cut unemployment in half and improved *a whole ton* of major numbers with the stimulus, health care, and the minority of things he did get passed. Even though he tried to pass more he is still a very sizable positive economically, especially in jobs.

So, you're wrong on two counts there.

You're trying to blame the person who actually helped.

As for the real issue it's the banks and untouchable rich families that run the banks. That the tax payers had to bail out.

Whom the Republicans continue to protect from contributing more to the tax base that they profit off of.

Also I will note that the actual bank bailout- the one done under George W. Bush and supported by the wide majority of both parties- was incredibly necessary for stopping a great depression 2.0. The whole banking system was collapsing as uninvolved banks were dragged down by the fall of other banks.

The financial system definitely needs new accountability laws- again, opposed by Republicans- and much more should've been done to hold the individuals responsible and put more controls on the institutions to prevent a repeat, but anyone who thinks 'letting the banks fail' was a reasonable option knows very little about the economy. If that'd happen, we'd probably be in double digit unemployment even now.

George W. Bush did entirely the right thing there.

Really, what needs to be done to understand the situation is simply pay attention to whom is doing what. Who's actually pushed for actions that help? Who pushed to stop those or pushed for actions that hurt? It requires paying attention, but that's how one figures out who's responsible for what- learning the issues and what happened, not simply dumping all blame on the ones you don't like.