Originally posted by ares834The novelizations aren't canon. I've shown the tweet before. It's similar to how it was before. But this time the "C-Canon" elements are non-canon. So Vaapad is gone, at least for now.
Hey? Where does it say the "C-Canon" elements are non-canon now. Didn't the tweet say the movie novels are canon as long as they don't contradict the movies, in other words Obi-Wan is not Owen's brother, despite it saying that in the ROTJ Novel.
Also Ultimate SW says Mace's style goes close to the dark side, so it's pretty obvious that's referring to Vapaad IMO. Especially given so far they've kept a lot of those details from Legends, and given this:
Originally posted by McP
Is [b]Star Wars: The Clone Wars Magazine a canon source? It's basing on TCW, so it might be possible. And Mace is stated there as "peerless warrior of the Vaapad lightsaber technique". [/B]
Originally posted by Lord Stark
A Vaapad master must also master the VII basic forms. So yes Mace is also a Form 3 Master.
I don't remember that being stated about Vapaad masters. I only remember "multiple forms".
Originally posted by Lord Stark
It is also possible Depa still knows how to use Form VII, but who knows at this point.
I doubt it considering Inquisitor knew right away that Depa taught Kanan from his use (or overuse) of Form 3.
Originally posted by redpill
what is now canon for depa billaba ?
Form 3.
Originally posted by WildBantha88
The problem is that you guys think legends and Canon mesh. I view them as entirely different entities
They are different entities. That being said, Canon has confirmed so much stuff from Legends, that when it comes to things like Saber forms, I think a good policy is to assume the Legends stance on it until Canon says otherwise.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hey? Where does it say the "C-Canon" elements are non-canon now. Didn't the tweet say the movie novels are canon as long as they don't contradict the movies, in other words Obi-Wan is not Owen's brother, despite it saying that in the ROTJ Novel.
No. They said they are only canon when they "align" with the movies which is, admittedly, rather nebulous.
As for your example, Owen and Kenobi being brothers is technically never contradicted in the films. Therefore canon!
Originally posted by ares834
No. They said they are only canon when they "align" with the movies which is, admittedly, rather nebulous.
The first tweet said "where they don't contradict the films", and the second "where they align with the films", IIRC.
Anyway in terms of the Saber forms not much seems to have changed in canon. Like hardly anything so far.
Originally posted by ares834
As for your example, Owen and Kenobi being brothers is technically never contradicted in the films. Therefore canon!
And that's probably why they added "where they align with the films" instead of just saying "where they don't contradict the films."
Ben being Owen's brother doesn't mesh with the films very well.
First tweet just said they were canon. The second was a correction saying only when they align with the films, which could mean anything between when they are a direct adaption or when the don't contradict.
However, the fact that we are getting new (canon) books about the OT and that several things from the novelizations have since been contradicted by the new Disney stuff (not merely the films) would suggest that the former is the more likely.
Originally posted by ares834However, the fact that we are getting new (canon) books about the OT
Really? When's that?
Originally posted by ares834
and that several things from the novelizations have since been contradicted by the new Disney stuff (not merely the films) would suggest that the former is the more likely.
What's been contradicted specifically by Disney from the movie novelizations?
I find this canon and non canon and Legends rather confusing and a bunch of BS.
This is what happens when you give the wrong company control over your life's work.
I know you want to make things kid friendly, but everything can't be kid friendly.
Lone Ranger? Fantastic 4? Who cares what else. These movies failed,horribly.
I hope this new Star Wars movie don't follow in their foot steps.
When they changed the EU,they limited the possibility of creating good stories from that time
line. They eliminated the possibilities of alot potential stories about other Jedi,Sith, hell other
Force Factions.
Now we stuck with this big ole what if...(ISH).
Depa is imho Form 7(Juyo/Vaapad).
Maybe during the Republic's false peace time she was possibly Form 3 (Soresu).
Mace was,at one time a Soresu practitioner under the apprenticeship of T'rra Saa
Who was also a Soresu Master. Just one of Mace's Masters were mentioned in his
bio,we all know his other master is Yoda,who other than these two,the most long lived species
in the SW mythos,taught Mace is still a mystery.
It was once said that Depa was the most spiritual on the Jedi Council.
She was labeled imho a Jedi Consular,which would explain some of the form 3 theory.
Soresu would explain some of my own personal theories on part of Vaapad's creation
in the blaster deflection training along with Shien in the blaster reflection training as well.
Vaapad's Jedi pholosophy or its philosophical aspects were highly refined in order to grasp
Vaapad's state of mind. Which theoretically suppose to allow Jedi to not only skirt the dark side,
but balance between light and dark.
Through out the CW we see Mace lean towards a barely contained nonaggessive approach before we see him if barely unleash any of Vaapad's techniques or Vaapad fueled actions.
A better example of Mace unleashed was in the CW micro series volume 1 and 2.
That was a perfect example of Mace and Vaapad in action.
I know we all won't agree,But Yoda shows a similar example with Ataru
in SWCW Season 1.
The Difference? Yoda gets a pass, Mace gets a bunch of complaints and disses.
And in my sarcastic personal opinion I won't say.
He is Yoda's second,he was suppose to do those things.
Why water,I mean dumb him down,put him in a ridiculous episode with Jar Jar Binks,
and forget it. Again imspo I won't say.
Depa is a good character, they should have went further into her history before making a ridiculous accusations of her being a form 3 practitioner or master.
Disney do your research she was in a coma.
Mace clearly stated that if she awakes she'll be charged with crimes against civilization.
Depa is a former master of Vaapad,meaning she mastered its physical technique,but
failed its mental and philosophical technique.
So I would see her pull a Obi and settle for Soresu w/Vaapad as a back up.
That still doesn't explain how she got out of her coma and immediately give her a padawan,
and suddenly perish in combat.imo doesn't make sense.
I know my reply will stirrup alot of debate but I am seriously still angry about disney's hostile
take over and ending the EU.
I would call Vos's "unpredictable nature and technique" Vaapad.
He was taught Vaapad by Sora Bulq and in Mace's personal opinion
mastered Vaapad more than Vos realised.
Vos did kill Bulq with Vaapad, it sure wasn't with his Ataru and Shien variant.
Ok maybe not his nature,but Vos was a perfect choice for both Juyo/Vaapad.
Bulq did say he tested Vos w/Vaapad,which he passed and lied to Mace about not teaching him
further,which he did.
In their duel Vos turned inwards to fight himself and his inner darkness.
It was said and I quote
Quinlan Vos,in order to combat Sora's furious technique,gave himself completely to Vaapad,
and in turn accepted and embraced the full fury of his opponent Sora,and transformed his
anger into a super conducting loop,connecting Sora's hatred with his inner darkness,
Which passed in and out and through him,which he (Vos) then channeled back towards Bulq.
Vos finally mastered the flow of light and dark,he had a strange calmness as Bulq raised his saber for the killing blow.
Suddenly,Vos turned around and struck Bulq down across the torso,showing his (Vos) level
of mastery of Vaapad over its co - creator,Vos remained a Jedi while Sora Bulq and Depa Billaba fell.
Which proves my point,Vaapad vs Vaapad doesn't always end in a stalemate.
Quinlan Vos is either a master to a certain degree or an expert of Vaapad. (unoffically)
Mace recognised his mastery but he didn't give him the offical title of master.
Grievous imitation of Vaapad was passable but not entirely Vaapad without its Force applications
Vos is a good pick for Vaapad.
Kyle Katarn is even a better pick. imo.
Before I close Depa Billaba is a dangerous woman,even more dangerous than Shaak Tii and the
Dark Woman. Before we continue this debate can either lady of the Jedi defeat 24 men in less than a minute? This is with Vaapad,another hint,Depa reflected those blaster bolts back at those 24 men with not Soresu or Shien but with Vaapad alone. Read Shatter Point again.
Some of those 24 men had charred ring around finger sized holes in their armor,
while the rest had blackened gapes of light saber wounds,instantly cauterized by the blade
that opened them.
Pardon my paraphasing it was stated that,the effect of opening fire with energy weapons,
point blank upon a master of Vaapad,was mutely testified to by every charred ring around a
finger sized hole in the armor and burned,lifeless flesh beneath.
My rant,..how does she die, if easily, when she can pull off a feat similar
if not better than a Soresu Master and a Shien Master?