Originally posted by Selenial
I think literally everyone here puts Dooku and Kenobi as near equals in terms of pure swordsmanship.Kenobi shitstomps sabers, Bane takes Force but loses All Out.
I'd be surprised, considering how he literally manhandled him on bug world, as well as how easily he fights him in the movie. Obi-Wan looks like he's shitting himself in that saberlock. You notice how Dooku drags his blade up to block Anakin like it's not even there? Classic.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Already have. Not that difficult. Just read the novel and it's obvious they are close.Next thing you know you will be saying Bane > Anakin as a duelist.
The novel makes many things obvious that are equally obvious to actually be the opposite in the movie.
Seems unnecessary.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Dooku bested Kenobi through the Force in the movie - not sabers. 😬
Yes but why didn't Kenobi even attempt to block the first Force Push Dooku gave him? When Anakin/Kenobi did intercept each other Force pushes, as did Ventress and Luminara.
My point being you could equalize Kenobi and Dooku's TK Ability, and Dooku would still be landing Force attacks on Kenobi. So Dooku was simply outfighting Kenobi (while simultaneously fighting off Skywalker mind you) regardless of who has greater TK.
Originally posted by Selenial
I think literally everyone here puts Dooku and Kenobi as near equals in terms of pure swordsmanship.
Nah there's a lot who don't.
Most see Kenobi and Maul as near equals in swordmanship though.
As I've noted above, I just think Dooku is a superior combatant to Kenobi as of TCW and ROTS (Will wait and see what the new canon says about ANH Kenobi).
Originally posted by Stigma
@ NewGuyOut of curiosity, why, in your opinion, Bane has the Force edge?
Largely because he's willing to abuse it, and has knowledge of more destructive powers that have more various combat uses. Kenobi's a much more passive force user, though he too is really powerful in his own way; Luke compares his force strength to Durron and Yoda more than once. Then again, that's OT Ben.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Largely because he's willing to abuse it, and has knowledge of more destructive powers that have more various combat uses. Kenobi's a much more passive force user, though he too is really powerful in his own way; Luke compares his force strength to Durron and Yoda more than once. Then again, that's OT Ben.
Like lightning that Kenobi can dodge 👆
Bane doesn't have a telekinetic edge, and Bane's offensive force powers like drain aren't usable without a nexus. Kenobi can dodge Bane's lightning or catch it on his saber.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Bane wins thanks to his power edge. The skill edge is pretty minimal and not going to be all the important considering Kenobi's naturally defensive stance and Bane's own prowess in defensive combat. Physicals has no gaping disparity either.
Da fuq? Kenobi has beaten Grievous, fought evenly with Ventress, held his own against Anakin, and Savage/Maul, and beaten more skilled duelists. He's the peer of duelists that would kill Bane on their own. Bane isn't even more skilled than Kas'im, and considering Kenobi's durability, speed advantage, and superior skill he could shrug off any of Bane's offense easier than Zannah. I'd also love to know what power edge he has, because Kenobi has greater telekinetic showings than Bane as well
Originally posted by carthage
Bane doesn't have a telekinetic edge,
He probably does, though that's not what I'm talking about; the point is that he'll abuse his powers and Kenobi won't, and that's frankly an advantage.
Bane's offensive force powers like drain aren't usable without a nexus.
He needed a nexus to sustain a spherical death field. Drain Life is a much more conservative spell; not that it's likely to make an appearance.
Kenobi can dodge Bane's lightning or catch it on his saber.
Bane can dodge Kenobi's saber or block it with his own, so what? It can still hit him and it can still kill him.
Bane isn't even more skilled than Kas'im,
I thought Kas'im could only handle trainee Bane? Stay consistent pls.
He probably does, though that's not what I'm talking about; the point is that he'll abuse his powers and Kenobi won't, and that's frankly an advantage.
Which he didn't do against Zannah, as his MO at least of Dynasty of evil was to opt for a lightsaber duel.
He needed a nexus to sustain a spherical death field. Drain Life is a much more conservative spell; not that it's likely to make an appearance.
Which he has to pause and use, and unlikely as **** given Kenobi will be pounding him in sabers
Bane can dodge Kenobi's saber or block it with his own, so what? It can still hit him and it can still kill him.
And then Kenobi can blast him back, or outmaneuver him and counterattack, and no Bane isn't breaking Kenobi's defense. Again what are you talking about, he's never overly abused his powers in a lightsaber duel without orbalisks.
I thought Kas'im could only handle trainee Bane? Stay consistent pls.
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