Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm debating it for the sake of our discussion. There's evidence for both.How about channeling enough Force power to destroy all life in a 1k radius, and then have it get backlashed on him in a ROT!Bane-esque style yet still manage to rise again and continue to fight?
Why? We know the Dread waged war on Revan and they have shown Teleportation - Vitiate has not.
And also, lmfao. The Dread know a host of abilities that Vitiate does not know.
So you're chosing which ones more convenient for you. That's cool. I guess.
Like, on-screen? Plus that isn't tutaminis.
Revan didn't have a bond to them like he did with Vitiate, I doubt he could glimpse or influence their minds like he could Vitiate. It's speculative to think otherwise.
Vitiate has explored the Force and darkside a shitton more than them, his mastery is above theirs.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Clearly not given he isn't powerful and skilled enough to contend with Vitiate on his other powers.
All I'm saying is, if you're gonna use Revan's teleportation in threads, you better start wanking Jadus. 🙂
Originally posted by Nephthys
So you're chosing which ones more convenient for you. That's cool. I guess.
But nah, even if Revan the Returned is less powerful than Revan Reborn, which is most likely, Revan the Returned has still shown greater mastery over his abilities (for example, Tutaminis).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Like, on-screen?
"Upon successful completion, [this attack will] deal massive damage to enemies within 1km. Dealing sufficient damage will break this channel. Through masterful control of the Force, Revan has created a Force resonance with The Machine's core, and is channeling its power into an immense attack."
--Star Wars: The Old Republic
He suffers a massive backlash and the power flies back onto him while he has up a Force Barrier:
"[Revan has] suffered a powerful backlash while channeling an immense amount of Force energy."
--Star Wars: The Old Republic
Originally posted by Nephthys
Revan didn't have a bond to them like he did with Vitiate, I doubt he could glimpse or influence their minds like he could Vitiate. It's speculative to think otherwise.Vitiate has explored the Force and darkside a shitton more than them, his mastery is above theirs.
"The Dread Masters were known to spend years in secluded meditation on Dromund Kaas, emerging only to bring their wisdom to the Emperor or accept gifts from supplicants."
So they clearly knew of powers that Vitiate didn't know and told him about them. I bet they kept some for themselves like all Sith do. 👆
Why would that matter if Jadus is capable of teleporting to wherever he wants(like on top of Vitiate's head with his lightsaber on)? Other than TP or perhaps a similar attack, there should be no defense for that.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Meh, not a bad speculation tbh. What makes you think Revan is powerful enough to defend against Vitiate's lightning with tutaminis though?
Well there's clearly limits for Teleportation. Revan nor Jadus can simply teleport right behind Vitiate or something of the like, but they should be able to use the ability to navigate through a battlefield instantly (given that is what we have seen them do). I picture it that you can't get too close to a being due to Teleportation due to the aura that person emits or something along those lines, but that's just speculation.
Revan attempted to channel the energies of the powerful Temple of Sacrifice into an attack that, once completed, would have possibly killed all of his enemies in a one kilometer radius. However, after being attacked by an assault team, he suffered a backlash from all that energy he was manipulating. Despite this, he managed to rise again and continue his battle.
"Upon successful completion, deals massive damage to enemies within 1km. Dealing sufficient damage will break this channel. Through masterful control of the Force, Revan has created a Force resonance with The Machine's core, and is channeling its power into an immense attack."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic
"[Revan has] suffered a powerful backlash while channeling an immense amount of Force energy."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Still, I doubt the backlash of that would be as powerful as the intended effect it was going to have when Revan unleashed it. Not that I'm not okay with it as it would be massive wank for post death Vitiate.
That's a completely different type of attack, lol. Think ROT!Bane and how his lightning got trapped in that barrier, tbh.
Originally posted by Sinious
Still, I doubt the backlash of that would be as powerful as the intended effect it was going to have when Revan unleashed it. Not that I'm not okay with it as it would be massive wank for post death Vitiate.
Also the fact Revan was capable of channeling so much energy in the first place is proof, imo, that he should be able to handle Revan!Vitiate's lightning.
It was only backlashed because the team gangraped him while he was in the process of channeling.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You should be familiar with the style given you do it every debate. 😉But nah, even if Revan the Returned is less powerful than Revan Reborn, which is most likely, Revan the Returned has still shown greater mastery over his abilities (for example, Tutaminis).
I thought Revan's tutaminis was an expression of his raw power. :I
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
This is the description of what Revan pulls on TOS (if it is not stopped it one-shots the OPs group):"Upon successful completion, [this attack will] deal massive damage to enemies within 1km. Dealing sufficient damage will break this channel. Through masterful control of the Force, Revan has created a Force resonance with The Machine's core, and is channeling its power into an immense attack."
--Star Wars: The Old RepublicHe suffers a massive backlash and the power flies back onto him while he has up a Force Barrier:
"[Revan has] suffered a powerful backlash while channeling an immense amount of Force energy."
--Star Wars: The Old Republic
Doesn't sound like Tutaminis to me, he's just channeling power from the Machine, not absorbing a hostile attack. It's no more tutaminis than Bane channeling the power of the Brotherhood, imo. Unless you want to say that Bane's tutaminis > Revans now, because that would have destroyed a lot more than 1 measly kilometer, lol.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That's a completely different type of attack, lol. Think ROT!Bane and how his lightning got trapped in that barrier, tbh.
Don't think that, it's complete horseshit. You can't compare Revan failing to channel an attack to Bane getting his lightning physically turned back upon himself. Legend's example is more apt, he tried to harness immense power but it failed and he got weakened. There's no indication Revan actually had to tank a significant amount of energy.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's speculative too to assume Vitiate knows powers he has never seen. And I thought that the Dread establishing a bond with Revan like Vitiate did was obvious.
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And sure, but that doesn't mean they don't know other powers."The Dread Masters were known to spend years in secluded meditation on Dromund Kaas, emerging only to bring their wisdom to the Emperor or accept gifts from supplicants."
So they clearly knew of powers that Vitiate didn't know and told him about them. I bet they kept some for themselves like all Sith do. 👆
No, because we have sources stating that he's explored "uncharted" territories, meaning he actually has abilities no-one else does. Vitiate spent 100 years studying the Force with all the resources of the Ancient Sith Empire at his fingertips, then spent another 1000 years studying it. I'm pretty sure he has quite a ****ing lot of Force powers at his disposal.
Lmao, all that proves is that if they did discover new techniques in their research that they handed it over to Vitiate, assuming wisdom indicates force knowledge which I doubt. Also the Dread Masters mostly studied fear and the phobis device. Not teleportation. If Jadus has an ability, I'd say Vitiate probably does.
Also no, why would the Dread Masters forge a link to Revans mind? Theres nothing suggesting that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, because we have sources stating that he's explored "uncharted" territories, meaning he actually has abilities no-one else does. Vitiate spent 100 years studying the Force with all the resources of the Ancient Sith Empire at his fingertips, then spent another 1000 years studying it. I'm pretty sure he has quite a ****ing lot of Force powers at his disposal.Lmao, all that proves is that if they did discover new techniques in their research that they handed it over to Vitiate, assuming wisdom indicates force knowledge which I doubt. Also the Dread Masters mostly studied fear and the phobis device. Not teleportation. If Jadus has an ability, I'd say Vitiate probably does.
Also no, why would the Dread Masters forge a link to Revans mind? Theres nothing suggesting that.
A ground-reality that is sadly overlooked in most discussions. People tend to assess Vitiate only from the piss-poor writing skills of Mr. Karpyshyn.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Revan 3.0 would have killed Vitiate, as Revan 3.0 was powerful enough to ragdoll the strongest force users in the galaxy simultaneously (multiple times).Furthermore, Revan 3.0 was severely weakened in that fight due to his spirit half (half his power) actively fighting against him. In this fight his spirit half would be helping him since both want Vitiate destroyed, it would be Revan 3.0 x2.