Shimrra Jamaane & Onimi vs Darth Sidious

Originally posted by carthage
He was using lightning and telekinesis simultaneously. He overloaded Vergere's tutaminus, killed Vong with lightning, crushed Vong under rubble, and destroyed a portion of the room. If that's not Maelstrom then I'd like to know what it was.

First he never overwhelmed her tutaminis, there's no mention of her even defending herself in the slightest.

Second he didnt kill any vong with lightning, his lightning couldnt even touch them due to that stupid pole crap.

"But he could not touch them with his lightning. There had been a circut missing, the lightning would ground harmlessly into the floor or the walls or arc back to make vergeres unconscious body spasm in convulsions. The lightning of his rage could only span gaps between poles of the force-neither nom anor nor his warriors could conduct that current. Frustration had compounded jacens fury, he had thrown himself outward seeking power to do these creatures harm."

And third he didnt use lightning and tk simultaneously

What he used was lightning, then tk. Its clearly not a "force storm" like Palpatine uses warping space and time.

TPM Sidious loses, all other versions win.

There are numerous Force powers labeled "storm", Raptor.

Maybe you should try posting the entire quote next time?

He remembered the wild joy of release as the power of the storm had
roared into him and through him and became a mad vortex within the
underground chamber, lifting stone and brick and chunks of duracrete to
whirl and batter and slash the Yuuzhan Vong, pounding the warriors with
pieces of the planet that had once been Jacen's home. A shrug of wind had
crushed the Yuuzhan Vong into one corner of the chamber, and he
remembered bubbling laughter exploding with malice into a shout of
victory as he had reached up his hand and brought down the building
around them. He rocked back on his ankles, hands going to his face.

He had fallen so far... The wall of rubble closed off most of the
chamber: tumbled hunks of duracrete, fallen in a steep slope from
uncountable floors above. The only light in the much-reduced chamber was
leakover from glow globes in the ruined hallway outside. The ceiling had
collapsed, he remembered that much, remembered the roar, the pounding,
the dust and flying splinters of stone. No, wait, it hadn't collapsed...
He had pulled it down. He remembered swirling within the red tide,
remembered feeling Vergere lose consciousness, remembered reaching for a
new target, a new victim, reaching for Nom Anor with the lightning that
had felled Vergere...
And being unable to find him. He could see the Yuuzhan Vong
executor, could hear him shouting orders to the warriors around them all,
but he could not touch him with the lightning. There had been a circuit
missing: the lightning would ground harmlessly into the floor or the
walls or arc back to make Vergere's unconscious body spasm in
convulsions.
The lightning of his rage could only span gaps between poles of the
Force..

Its pretty obvious he's using both at the same time, and the description of the event is pretty consistent with the darkside ability Force Malestrom. The only part I messed up on was her using tutaminus

Second he didnt kill any vong with lightning, his lightning couldnt even touch them due to that stupid pole crap.

Which is just an inconsistency, seeing as how even his sister can kill a Vong with Force lightning and she's weaker in the force than he is. You can ignore that.

And third he didnt use lightning and tk simultaneously

Which is contradicted by the fact he's collapsing and destroying the building while trying to kill Nom Anor with lightning 👆

lol. u do realize that there was an actual storm raging directly above them while that scene was going on right?

"lightning blazed overhead, and thunder slammed the crater floorhard enough to shake the ground. shivering, jacen pressed himself into a broken corner that had once been the interior of a fashionable refresher. icy rain streamed down his spine, and pellets of hail stung his skin."

for the second part i think ur just not comprehending what ur reading. do u realize that jacen is in the present recalling these events from memory?

He is looking at the rubble in the present, then recalling the events that led to it. he recalls using lightning on vergere, then recalls trying to use it on the vong and it failing, and then trying something else which was pulling the building down.

"neither nom anor nor his warriors could conduct that current. Frustration had compounded jacens fury, he had thrown himself outward seeking power to do these creatures harm-And the storm above the crater answered."

Notice the lightning doesnt work and he has to seek a new power to kill them. and notice its the same storm above the same crater that was referenced a few pages earlier in the story.

lol at just ignoring that u flat out said that jacen killed vong with lightning in this specific instance, when the story flat out tells us that he couldnt and then u just chalk it up to inconsistancy. it being inconsistant from story to story has no bearing on what u said here. u made a statement, were completly wrong and r just trying to muddy the waters to cover ur mistake. to be honest its a very Quanchi type move.

for the last part once again hes clearly not using both at the same time, he colapses the building after the lightning fails to harm them. all it takes is a basic understanding of past/present to understand.