Last Man Standing

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Krayt>Maul>Wrath>Bane

Krayt>Wrath>Maul>Bane, tbh

Is that even relevant @Ant?

Gives more context, tbh.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Of course Sel-Makor's more powerful than Maul, but he was enjoying a rather considerable amplification from the potent dark side nexus. Without such an amplification, I'd put Sel-Makor/Vitiate above Maul in power, but not by enough to outright dominate him. So on even ground (as with the Wrath vs Sel-Makor where they both had the luxury of a DS nexus amplfication), I wouldn't put it past Maul to accomplish a similar feat against Sel-Makor/Vitiate.

2. None of the Sith the Wrath have beaten are as skilled as Maul. As with all game protagonists, the Wrath is treasured with accolades and hype for player pride/to create a sense of importance. In the end, though, there's nothing to suggest the Wrath is "more naturally talented" than Maul is, whose skill feats rival the Wrath's in every sense of the word.

3. The Wrath's mental fortitude is commendable but ultimately irrelevant to this fight, and his TK isn't stronger than Krayt's. I also wouldn't say the Wrath outright outclasses Nihl, but Nihl's definitely outmatched against him.

1. Who cares? The Wrath fought him in the heart of his power (which also means he may be under pressure from the insanely corrupting power of the place while fighting too) so that amp was relevant to the fight. And no, the Wrath wouldn't get an amp. Either he'd be damaged by the power or he'd be cut off from it. Plus he had to fight his way through the countless monsters in the Nightmare Lands as well as a couple dozen Gormak and beasts summoned by Sel Makor.

2. The Wrath pulls off massively impressive feats immediately into his training. Maul had decades of training to get to the level he has, whereas the Wrath pulls it off in a handful of years. In the first act of the game he outduels the greatest Jedi Instructor alive and the best student he ever trained at the same time. To me that's an indication of outstanding natural aptitude. And the accolades are valid no matter the reason behind them. Hyping the player still hypes the character.

3. It's an indication of power. What's Krayt done that's so great in TK? And I think you're really underestimating the Wrath if you don't think he outmatches Nihl. Dude buzzsaws through armies and Jedi like butter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude buzzsaws through armies and Jedi like butter.

That was actually Nox, tbh.

Originally posted by Nephthys

3. It's an indication of power. What's Krayt done that's so great in TK? And I think you're really underestimating the Wrath if you don't think he outmatches Nihl. Dude buzzsaws through armies and Jedi like butter.

Powerscaling is Krayt's ally, and a powerful ally it is 😮‍💨

Originally posted by Nephthys
What's Krayt done that's so great in TK?

Ragdolling Nihl and fighting Abeloth.

Malavai Quinn (Star Wars: The Old Republic):

"An incursion into the Arms Factory will be a monumental feat. I'm excited by the prospect of you laying waste to that place. The Republic command center is deep inside the Arms Factory, the most heavily protected installation on the planet. In order to reach Commander Rylon, you will have to make your way past all of the factory's defenses - which are considerable. Stationed inside are an estimated one thousand of the Republic's best trained soldiers. Specifically, Rylon's elite squadron is responsible for some of the most precise, improbable resistance victories on Balmorra. They're legendary. It will be a bright day on Balmorra when they are eliminated."


Darth Baras (Star Wars: The Old Republic):

"Moff Hurdenn informs me that Faraire has relocated all of the Republic's forces on Taris to protect his command center at the Republic's stronghold."

Maul's skill feats rival the Wrath's in every sense of the word.

Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Who cares? The Wrath fought him in the heart of his power (which also means he may be under pressure from the insanely corrupting power of the place while fighting too) so that amp was relevant to the fight. And no, the Wrath wouldn't get an amp. Either he'd be damaged by the power or he'd be cut off from it. Plus he had to fight his way through the countless monsters in the Nightmare Lands as well as a couple dozen Gormak and beasts summoned by Sel Makor.

2. The Wrath pulls off massively impressive feats immediately into his training. Maul had decades of training to get to the level he has, whereas the Wrath pulls it off in a handful of years. In the first act of the game he outduels the greatest Jedi Instructor alive and the best student he ever trained at the same time. To me that's an indication of outstanding natural aptitude. And the accolades are valid no matter the reason behind them. Hyping the player still hypes the character.

3. It's an indication of power. What's Krayt done that's so great in TK? And I think you're really underestimating the Wrath if you don't think he outmatches Nihl. Dude buzzsaws through armies and Jedi like butter.

1. The point was that Maul can replicate the showing.

2. Maul was only in his early twenties (22) by TPM, and spent a decade rotting on Lotho Minor. That's hardly "decades of training".

3. Well, for one, outclass everybody else of his Order in TK. And I said he does outmatch Nihl, but doesn't outclass him entirely.