LordStark-
When he dueled Tyranus.Proof Yoda was exhausted? I'd find it startlingly inconsistent for Yoda to become out of puff after 30 seconds of fighting when a countless number of beings far less powerful than him would blow that kind of endurance out of the atmosphere on their worst day.
I think what's actually happening here is that your argument crumbles once you begin giving Maul his due in regards to TK.
Source? Not to mention sparring against Fisto for hours using Soresu is not the same as fighting for your life against two Sith Lords utilizing everything you've got.The Cestus Deception. And Kenobi was using Ataru at that point, it was shortly after AotC. Also, lel, the disparity in energy output between Ataru and Soresu doesn't quite cover how hilariously different 30 seconds of fighting is from several hours. This stamina argument is straw grabbing at it's finest, bruh.
No I'm referring to his utter trouncing of her here.Utter trouncing? It was a back and forth duel until Grievous kicked her.
Uh yes it does, considering later in the episode she is captured and has to be rescued by Plo Koon. Occam's Razor, Grievous defeated her with that kick.There's Occam's Razor, and then there's getting kicked by an insanely powerful mechanical leg for one fight out of any number of possible scenarios. Not to mention? Luminara did no better against Ventress. Mundi did no better against Grievous. Anoon Bondara got utterly shat on by Maul. The only person who your argument applies to is Bulq: he is safely above Gallia.
And then the Force power argument comes in.
Its not just "high end showing! high end showing!" Its that if Savage and Maul could simply TK Jedi Masters with impunity anytime they want they would have simply TKed Ventress and Kenobi (who are their inferiors in the Force) or simply choked out Kenobi when they had him cornered. There's literally no evidence that on any given day Savage or even Maul can just casually choke out Kenobi.:/
Savage was winning his duel against Ventress primarily - he had no need to TK her (he was throwing Ventress around physically and she soon retrated, in contrast to him flattening Gallia as soon as she landed a kick).
Maul has TK'd Kenobi into submission with impunity, twice. I'll deal with your .. complaints .. about those instances later in my post.
Main point though? No two fights are the same. There are times when Maul and Savage do **** people up with TK, and times where they choose to duel. It's called versatile writing. Your argument amounts to "if he can do it why didn't he do it here!!!"
Where did he choke Kenobi? I'm pretty sure a user here debunked that feat. But hey I'm willing to concede that point. Can you post the context? And even so its pretty damned obvious he cannot do that whenever he wants or he would have in their duels.I believe DP gave you the context but here's the simple version: it was on a particularly ordinary planet with no special Force presence, certainly not a dark sided one. Maul choked Kenobi as he ran towards him, and held that choke over him against his will.
http://imgur.com/a/u2aPG
As we've seen described when Vader choked Galen, and Luke pinned Caedus: when someone is telekinetically restrained, they can resist and fight out of it.. if they can. In the former example Galen could, in the latter Caedus couldn't. It's the same with Kenobi; he just wasn't strong enough to break out of Maul's clutch. So yeah, with his Force shield crumpled all Maul has to do is apply his cliff-busting telekinetic strength to a small windpipe and it's night night.
Obviously it's never going to happen for plot purposes, but it's made explicitly clear by the comic that it could have... and even running with your hope that Kenobi's windpipe is made out of diamonds and happiness? He was still left wheezing on the ground while Maul took the time to kill another Jedi. The same is going to happen to any Jedi here, or they'll just get their throat shut.
"Slowly I will crush the life out of you"
Prove it. To my knowledge, Maul has never killed Jedi with force choke, let alone a master.lol. He's never failed to do so either, because aside from being put in front of Kenobi, who is plot protected, he hasn't ever been put into that position. So put your thinking cap on. If Maul can break through someone's Force Shield, what's stopping this from happening once they entirely lack a defence?:
http://i.imgur.com/vOOfZJh.png
(and yes, that's Maul. he was inside a nearby pub.)
The duel lasted like a panel bro. For all we know Maul jumped in and kicked Aayla and sliced at Mace. Stop embellishing the feat and making it seem like its the best shit since sliced bread.Lmfao dude. A comic panel is a depiction of a frozen moment in time, with movement only being portrayed through techniques like afterimages. Maul was kicking Aayla while parrying Mace's blade. He could have held Mace's blade and then thrown Aayla at a wall or slammed several tons of pressure onto her windpipe at the same time. It doesn't take much time at all.
And for the record, I'm not suggesting Maul is going to just start oneshotting people in this thread. It's going to be a hard fight. I'm just making you aware that it's easily arguable he could, and otherwise the power advantage is just too big to ignore.
You literally have no proof that Maul or Savage can overpower the collective force defenses of 4 Jedi masters.Your debating tactics are strange to say the least. Telling me I have no proof of claims that are inherently unrealistic, and aren't what I've been arguing from the beginning, only detracts from your argument, not mine.
Anoon Bondara is someone who is as good as non-Force sensitive as far as TK is concerned here. The others are better but certainly not more powerful than Kenobi. They don't need to kill four Jedi with the Force, just one or two.
Uh, yes it is. Illum was discovered by a Jedi sensing Ilum's powerful presence from hyperspace. The Force is present within each individual crystal. Not to mention a Padawan being guided by the Force itself kind of like a wand choosing a wizard an Olivander's shop don't exactly happen on regular planets.Yeah, it's a Force nexus. Just like Naboo or the Jedi temple. There's no such thing as a light sided nexus though, because all that is is a regular Force nexus; the Force in a balanced state but in higher concentration than other locations. The Force in balance is what the Jedi define to be the Light Side. It doesn't weaken Sith.
But by all means, if you want to prove Illum will weaken Maul and Savage, go ahead.