Matt Murdock vs. Bruce Wayne

Originally posted by relentless1
it always the same when it comes to Batman, every hater always has some sort of excuse as to why Batmans feat doesnt count

When did i say that Batman's feat didn't count? It simply isn't too much for Daredevil to replicate. Wildcat did it as well.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Pot calling the Kettle black? Huh.

Wolverine is as good as Bruce in H2H imo, CA is close enough. Daredevil isn't, simple as that. BTW this is as objective as your DC hating and Marvel loving, "opinion". 😉

When did I say anything about Wolverine? I said that Wildcat has put Grundy on his butt as well. I just posted a scan of Daredevil touching Mr. Hyde and making him pass out. Why would Grundy be some insurmountable feat for him? This isn't the pot calling anything black bucko, it's you not being able to judge properly.

Originally posted by Stoic
When did i say that Batman's feat didn't count? It simply isn't too much for Daredevil to replicate. Wildcat did it as well.

When did I say anything about Wolverine? I said that Wildcat has put Grundy on his butt as well. I just posted a scan of Daredevil touching Mr. Hyde and making him pass out. Why would Grundy be some insurmountable feat for him? This isn't the pot calling anything black bucko, it's you not being able to judge properly.

You didn't, as you didn't grasp my opinion at all. Me giving you a Marvel char on par with Bruce in skill was supposed to show you where I rank DD in DC AND Marvel.
The Grundy feat is like the Hyde feat, nice and all but both have them.
You not being able to judge properly is nothing new, so go on with your "unbiased" opinion, brah.

Originally posted by relentless1
it always the same when it comes to Batman, every hater always has some sort of excuse as to why Batmans feat doesnt count

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
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Yeah, like Batman couldn't replicate the DD/Hyde feat. What's funny is, just because another MA from DC did something similar and took on Grundy makes Batmans feat invalid and DD superior, bias at it's finest, or simply a very limited mind? 😆

When you read something, it is very important that you read it critically, or you come out saying things like you just did, and even adding a smiley face to the detriment of your credibility. Giving Batman the win isn't enough for you, you have to drag him down to Jimmy Olsen, or Rick Jone's level. When you gave him a 20% possible chance of winning here is exactly what you did. This shows that your judgement skills need work.

Slight,SLIGHT edge to Batman.

He has more feats, but then, he's exponentially more popular than DD. The quality of their high feats, however, speak for themselves.

I reckon Batman is stronger, skill is a wash, and agility goes to DD. Matt's radar sense would come in handy, but without any gear, it doesn't take a master detective to see he is blind, and to use that (Matt generally uses it to semi predict when people are going to attack based on their heart rates etc).

Originally posted by Stoic
When you read something, it is very important that you read it critically, or you come out saying things like you just did, and even adding a smiley face to the detriment of your credibility. Giving Batman the win isn't enough for you, you have to drag him down to Jimmy Olsen, or Rick Jone's level. When you gave him a 20% possible chance of winning here is exactly what you did. This shows that your judgement skills need work.

facepalm Jimmy Olsen and Rick Jones. I used to read enough DD comics to judge this properly and Batman is superior. But to each fanboy his own.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Slight,SLIGHT edge to Batman.

He has more feats, but then, he's exponentially more popular than DD. The quality of their high feats, however, speak for themselves.

I reckon Batman is stronger, skill is a wash, and agility goes to DD. Matt's radar sense would come in handy, but without any gear, it doesn't take a master detective to see he is blind, and to use that (Matt generally uses it to semi predict when people are going to attack based on their heart rates etc).

I'm glad to see that we agree. Matt can see a person's heartbeat, tell when their about to leap by seeing the twitch fibers moving, he can smell fear, and other emotions based on the chemical changes that happen in people. He can see every nerve, he isn't a terrible MA (not as good as Bruce but not far off) Batman does win, but this isn't going to be some spanking, and Bruce isn't going to be breaking something with every hit. If that were the case Wilson Fisk would have put Matt in traction.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
facepalm Jimmy Olsen and Rick Jones. I used to read enough DD comics to judge this properly and Batman is superior. But to each fanboy his own.

I actually like Batman more than Daredevil. This isn't about give your favorite the nod because... well they're your favorite, but more about the truth, which you have a very difficult time telling. I understand your problem though.

Originally posted by Stoic
I actually like Batman more than Daredevil. This isn't about give your favorite the nod because... well they're your favorite, but more about the truth, which you have a very difficult time telling. I understand your problem though.

Sure you understand it, because it's your problem and now stop projecting your flaws on me, kk?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bruce wins. He has been actually said to hit harder than Daredevil by Bullseye.

uhuh

In feats, Bruce far eclipses Matt. Deal with it.

Now, we both know that's non-canon.

As to the rest, I maintain my earlier stance. Their highs are comparable enough that a person is justified in choosing either combatant as the winner. I happen to choose Matt, particularly in this scenario. With all his standard gear? Bruce takes it.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Now, we both know that's non-canon.

As to the rest, I maintain my earlier stance. Their highs are comparable enough that a person is justified in choosing either combatant as the winner. I happen to choose Matt, particularly in this scenario. With all his standard gear? Bruce takes it.

No, they are not. Bruce is clearly superior in nearly every area sane senses and reflexes.

It's not even a contest TBH. Batman can consistently fight Deathstroke as a near peer.

Daredevil gets smoked by Cap.

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Hey man, if you like Batman better, that's great. 👆

Originally posted by riv6672
That comment about Bruce using his brilliant mind and surroundings...is he going to throw the referee at Matt or something?
I think this fight favors Matt, who normally fights with minimal gear, as oppised to the usually well heeled Bruce.

Which is one of the reasons I proposed the fight conditions.

Originally posted by RadZoa
Bruce fights with gear because the threats he fights usually eclipse the threats Matt fights, if you put Daredevil against characters that Batman has fought that required gear, Daredevil would get his ass kicked

If you put Batman with no gear up against characters that Daredevil has beaten with martial arts and billy clubs, Batman would beat the tar out of them

Different levels of threats, Bruce is an entire tier above Matty in pure martial arts.

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Originally posted by Stoic
When you read something, it is very important that you read it critically, or you come out saying things like you just did, and even adding a smiley face to the detriment of your credibility. Giving Batman the win isn't enough for you, you have to drag him down to Jimmy Olsen, or Rick Jone's level. When you gave him a 20% possible chance of winning here is exactly what you did. This shows that your judgement skills need work.

It's not just him, it's several DC zealots all acting like complete entitled asses. They need to be out on the street corners selling DC comics for 50 cents a pop.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It's non canon but it still gives us an idea to who the writer's would take as stronger in a comic. It's consistent with their records too. Batman is seen as a rival to Cap, not daredevil.

No, they are not. Bruce is clearly superior in nearly every area sane senses and reflexes.

It's not even a contest TBH. Batman can consistently fight Deathstroke as a near peer.

Daredevil gets smoked by Cap.

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It's non cannon, end of story.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Which is one of the reasons I proposed the fight conditions.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's not just him, it's several DC zealots all acting like complete entitled asses. They need to be out on the street corners selling DC comics for 50 cents a pop.

Matt oneshots Bruce with his best ultron busting shot.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's not just him, it's several DC zealots all acting like complete entitled asses. They need to be out on the street corners selling DC comics for 50 cents a pop.

No, Batman would not beat all of DD's opponents every time.

But yes, Batman is more skilled as a martial artist, and is much stronger.

Plus, Bruce is VERY VERY stealthy, DD will already be taking punches before he can even figure out where Bruce is.

An octagon mat is easy to be quiet on. If Bruce figures out his radar sense, he'll use that to his advantage.

Matt can't detect Bruce if he can't hear him, and there is a very good chance Bruce can, and will, move around without making any noise.

The only way this can even be a fair fight is if there's a crowd around, and lots of noise.

Otherwise, forget it.

You really don't have any idea about Daredevil or how his powers work, do you?