Originally posted by SunRazer
Really? On what basis? Also, I have no idea whether this is one of those trolling incidents or if you're for real. lol
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAre you seriously arguing that Maul is better then Dooku?
On the basis that he's stronger, faster, more agile, and mastered all forms, for starters. What does Maul being a better duelist than Dooku have to do with trolling? Is it so unbelievable to you that Maul, someone who's been groomed since birth to be a Dark Lord of the Sith is superior to Palpatine's backup apprentice in sabers?
Dooku outdueled ****ing Windu for christ sakes, granted, it was before Dooku turned, but it certainly wasn't before Vaapad.
Originally posted by JmanghanDooku outdueled ****ing Windu for christ sakes, granted, it was before Dooku turned, but it certainly wasn't before Vaapad.
That's Legends we're talking Canon here.
But I agree it's baseless to think TPM Maul > Dooku or even his Equal as a Saber duelist, just given their performances in Saber fights.
And yes, the list is talking about TPM Maul, as it mentions his lethality with his Saber Staff.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Are you seriously arguing that Maul is better then Dooku?Dooku outdueled ****ing Windu for christ sakes, granted, it was before Dooku turned, but it certainly wasn't before Vaapad.
No he didn't. He beat him in a sparring match and they are considered equals. The list being dumb, however doesn't really change the fact that it certainly isn't unbelievable. Maul is an excellent duelist and can definitely contend with the best in the mythos in sabers.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maul is an excellent duelist and can definitely contend with the best in the mythos in sabers.
Well clearly not. We saw what happened when he went up against the best (or 1 of the 2 best)- Sidious.
Whilst Dooku's performance against the Other Best- Yoda seemed much more like "contending."
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Dooku can't contend with Sidious either. When I say "the best of the mythos" I mean the higher tiers. Not the literal best.
Point being Dooku's Saber performances are just superior to Maul's period. Maul's not even proven he's better than Kenobi, consistently stalemating him, whereas Dooku's trounced Kenobi 3/3 times.
Originally posted by carthage
The amount of butthurt I the SW community regarding this new ranking is hilarious.
Since I prefer Maul to Dooku, and Vader to Sidious, I really don't know what you're talking about.
I would happily accept those ranking when the combatants in question can prove that through feats, instead of just taking a "Top 5" ranking at face value.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Point being Dooku's Saber performances are just superior to Maul's period. Maul's not even proven he's better than Kenobi, consistently stalemating him, whereas Dooku's trounced Kenobi 3/3 times.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maul's proven he's better than Kenobi on several occasions,
Not in Sabers, no. The one time Maul was beating Kenobi in a Saber fight (Post-AOTC) was in Revenge. And Kenobi was winning that fight until he got distracted helping Ventress, and then started losing further when Maul Dun Moch'd him about Qui-Gon.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
the one time he's actually had a lesser showing is when he and Savage fought Kenobi in a place where they were at a clear disadvantage, and Kenobi at an advantage.
I'd say being outnumbered is the bigger disadvantage. He was actually defending against both of them out in the Open for a short time as well.
Regardless in the same episode Maul and Kenobi had a 1 v 1 out in the open and Maul was not portrayed as superior in any way. They were fighting pretty evenly.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That said, Kenobi's able to keep up with Anakin, who's above Dooku in Sabers.
A very different fight considering they(Obi-Wan and Anakin) knew each others moves inside out, according to both the ROTS Novel, and Nick Gillard in the Making of ROTS.
Originally posted by Selenial
Not buying the quote at all tbh.Not sure why people think it's acceptable to start using this as solid proof, yet never use the old head to head series. We ignored that for a reason, just like we should with this one too.
Though tbh ROTJ Palpatine could very well be Vader's inferior with a blade.
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Funny thing is it's not even a quote. It's a Top 5 list. Which is pretty meaningless IMO.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Not in Sabers, no. The one time Maul was beating Kenobi in a Saber fight (Post-AOTC) was in Revenge. And Kenobi was winning that fight until he got distracted helping Ventress, and then started losing further when Maul Dun Moch'd him about Qui-Gon.
I'd say being outnumbered is the bigger disadvantage. He was actually defending against both of them out in the Open for a short time as well.
Regardless in the same episode Maul and Kenobi had a 1 v 1 out in the open and Maul was not portrayed as superior in any way. They were fighting pretty evenly.
A very different fight considering they(Obi-Wan and Anakin) knew each others moves inside out, according to both the ROTS Novel, and Nick Gillard in the Making of ROTS.
Originally posted by Selenial
Not buying the quote at all tbh.Not sure why people think it's acceptable to start using this as solid proof, yet never use the old head to head series. We ignored that for a reason, just like we should with this one too.
Though tbh ROTJ Palpatine could very well be Vader's inferior with a blade.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Again, wasn't that in tight spaces?
Didn't really think of that tbh. Either way, Maul has still failed to take Post-AOTC Kenobi in a fair Saber match up.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And he was constantly on the retreat.
Well I wouldn't expect him to take them both on head on when out in the open.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's great, but without skill to back it up, it really doesn't matter. Obi-Wan would need skill to match Anakin's to keep up with him in any capacity.
Oh I'm not trying to take credit away from Kenobi. He is one of the top level Council Members. But he needed that advantage against Anakin. And he's clearly not as good as Dooku.