Harvard Professor talks about Democracy and Religion
"If you take away religion, you cannot hire enough police."
Harvard Professor talks about Democracy and Religion
"If you take away religion, you cannot hire enough police."
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He makes a good point regardless of saying democracy.
Perhaps he does but when people say that they lose all of my respect and I don't care about anything else they have to say, tbh, because they're part of the problem. Perpetuating the lie (just like so many movies and the media does) that we're a democracy when we're clearly not.
"Democracies work". LMAO. Riiiight. Our founding fathers knew how democracies always tended to have short violent lives so they gave us a republic instead which is much superior to a democracy.
Clay Christensen does very good, groundbreaking work in his field of business. His books should be required reading for anyone managing a company or parts of a company.
But I don't think that makes him any more qualified than anyone else to talk about Religion. His premise that only Religious institutions provide the morality to make a country function is just blatantly false. Atheists and non-Religious people have the same levels, if not superior levels, of morality and empathy than Religious people. If he had just limited himself to talking about the aspects of personal morality in the functioning of a country, I'd agree with him, but he conflates morality with religion, and that's just false.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's funny how this guy is making the same argument that Marty Hart made on True Detective about the value of religion. If we remember Rust's response to him: " If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit"
Rust was just a generally "I hate life" kinda guy. His argument posed an inherent contradiction. With that said, this is the greatest scene in any true detective season and rivals some of Tarantino's work.
And I agree with bardock, I don't think that only religion provides morality. It just goes back to the moral absolutist vs. moral relativist argument, without there being a middle ground.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
" If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit"
Ppl are naturally good or naturally pieces of shit. Going by your statement, the good will be good regardless and the pieces of shit can be kept decent by "divine reward". Win-win imo.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ppl are naturally good or naturally pieces of shit, going by your statement, the good will be good regardless and the pieces of shit can be kept decent by "divine reward". Win-win imo.
Rust's comment was pretty over the top lol. You could see the anger in his eyes towards the religious crowd. Great stuff from M.M. though.
Originally posted by long pig
I'm not a big fan of religion, but he's got a point. Some people cannot control themselves without thinking a skydaddy is watching and waiting to punish them for doing bad things.A large portion of the world is this way.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
People need some kind of moral framework, but it doesn't have to come from religion. Look at China, Chinese people aren't constantly murdering, robbing, and butt****ing each other in the streets, and very few of them practice religion.
Uh technically nobody is constantly murdering, robbing, or butt****ing each other on the street. We might as well say everyone who is has mental issues because it's such a small portion of the population.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
People need some kind of moral framework, but it doesn't have to come from religion. Look at China, Chinese people aren't constantly murdering, robbing, and butt****ing each other in the streets, and very few of them practice religion.
Yes, moral frameworks are good.
Religion can provide a moral framework and thus can be good.
Other things that can provide a moral framework are good, too. It doesn't have to come from religion but getting it from religion isn't a bad thing.
Originally posted by Surtur
He talks about how people began to follow these rules because they weren't just accountable to society, but also to God. He talks about what will happen to democracy if religion is gone. This is all said over images of violence, etc.How do you expect someone to interpret his basic message?
I don't even know whose post you are replying to so I don't know how you expect me to determine how one person can interpret anything....
Originally posted by Omega VisionMost people are pieces of shit.
It's funny how this guy is making the same argument that Marty Hart made on True Detective about the value of religion. If we remember Rust's response to him: " If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then, brother, that person is a piece of shit"