Originally posted by Digi
Not the majority of them. Just a vocal subset of evangelicals. For many Christians - though I won't guess at a percentage - much of the Old Testament is metaphoric. So the story of Noah is a parable about obedience to God and his laws, not about a literal flood.
LMAO. Bullshit. I seriously question any person's claim that they are actually "Christian" if they believe the Great Flood didn't actually happen. I've never met a Christian who thought the flood didn't happen EVER IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. I think you're trolling and just trying to piss off those of us who regard the Bible as the infallible inspired Word of God.
Flood happened. Eden happened. Moses parting the Red Sea happened. Just like everything else did that is regarded as history in the Bible. I don't give a damn what atheists like u say.
Not a literal flood, my ass. There are metaphors in the Bible (mostly in prophecy) but the Great Flood is most certainly not one of them. Any "Christian" who believes that it didn't actually happen has been deceived by Satan or his agents. I'm beginning to think the latter is what some of these people are who claim they're atheists. Satan is a liar. Maybe all these "atheists" are too when they say they don't believe in God or the devil. I imagine it makes it easier for them to do Satan's work and convince people his lies are true if people think they have no motive for deceiving them.
Digi is also one of those who claim that Satanists don't actually believe in Satan. 😂
More lies by Satan's followers. "Oh, we worship a giant statue of Satan and call ourselves "Satanists" but we swear we don't actually believe in him!". 🙄
Riiiiiight. Perhaps your deceitful lies work on other people but they'll never work on me. I promise u that.
Originally posted by Star428
Not a literal flood, my ass. There are metaphors in the Bible (mostly in prophecy) but the Great Flood is most certainly not one of them.
How do you account for the physical impossibilities of a World Wide flood? Unless you believe there is some historicity to the flood itself but that it has been embelished and put into religious context?
Originally posted by Bentley
How do you account for the physical impossibilities of a World Wide flood? Unless you believe there is some historicity to the flood itself but that it has been embelished and put into religious context?
LOL. Nothing is "impossible" for the One who actually created the universe. He's the One who actually made the laws of science in the first place so it's not hard to imagine He could break them whenever He likes. He's not bound to them in the same way we or the laws of nature are. Also, not sure a worlwide flood is "impossible" anyway even without God doing it.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.And it wasn't a worldwide flood. It was a physical phenomenon that happened in the Middle East.
and yet:
Genesis 6:11: The earth was also corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
6:12: And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. Nothing mentioned about it only being Israelis or even people from the whole Middle East only who were corrupting the earth.
6:13: And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence thru them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
and finally, most importantly,
Genesis 6:17: And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under Heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
It most certainly was not restricted to the Middle East. There are also many clues that scientists have discovered too that suggest a worldwide flood occured though many of them disagree about when it actually happened. Perhaps smaller floods happened often back then in the Middle East region but the Great Flood described in Genesis was a worldwide phenomenon. God wanted to cleanse the entire earth and start over. Not just the Middle East region.
Originally posted by Bentley
Who are Esau's descendants according to Judaism?Do you have a link for that?
Google older version of the Quran found in Birmingham. (Not alabama lol).
Originally posted by Star428
LOL. [b]Nothing is "impossible" for the One who actually created the universe. He's the One who actually made the laws of science in the first place so it's not hard to imagine He could break them whenever He likes. He's not bound to them in the same way we or the laws of nature are. Also, not sure a worlwide flood is "impossible" anyway even without God doing it. [/B]
So it was a miracle. I was legitimely asking about how you'd circumvent the lack of natural implications of it, read mass extinctions etc., just to complement the notion of christians that don't take the flood literaly.
You said that you didn't know any non-literalist readers of such scripture, then I think I should introduce you to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which doesn't claim the factual veracity of the scriptures, but their truth. By their definition you can be a christian without taking the Flood literaly, since it doesn't partain to the core beliefs of christianhood.
Originally posted by Bentley
So it was a miracle. I was legitimely asking about how you'd circumvent the lack of natural implications of it, read mass extinctions etc., just to complement the notion of christians that don't take the flood literaly.You said that you didn't know any non-literalist readers of such scripture, then I think I should introduce you to the doctrine of the Catholic Church, which doesn't claim the factual veracity of the scriptures, but their truth. By their definition you can be a christian without taking the Flood literaly, since it doesn't partain to the core beliefs of christianhood.
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that Catholics' beliefs differ from mine. Especially considering that their "leader" is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Guess they've been deceived too. Perhaps they are Christians but considering the Pope was calling for a one-world government, he is not even though he tries to acts like one.
There's a verse somewhere in the bible that says "Behold, even Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." I really think the Pope is an agent of the devil. Perhaps even the anti-Christ himself.
Originally posted by Star428
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that Catholics' beliefs differ from mine. Especially considering that their "leader" is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Guess they've been deceived too. Perhaps they are Christians but considering the Pope was calling for a one-world government, he is not even though he tries to acts like one.There's a verse somewhere in the bible that says "Behold, even Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." I really think the Pope is an agent of the devil. Perhaps even the anti-Christ himself.
Well, my purpose was to inform you of the existence of such christians. Technically the Catholic Church doesn't impose any disbelief in the Universal Flood either.
They are a welcoming Church!
Originally posted by long pig
The Arabs don't claim esau, they claim Hagar's illegitimate son. Esaus people ended up a mess of inbreeding and were deported to Babylon where they were enslaved. Arabs were already around before esau. Don't quote me, its been a while, but I THINK esaus people were called edom.Google older version of the Quran found in Birmingham. (Not alabama lol).
True that! Got the names mixed up. I really need to do some rereading (it should go without saying).
Will check on the article later 👆
Also, digi is correct in his assertion that satanists don't believe in "Satan", at least not the biblical Satan. A lot of what they do is just to piss off Christians. Most are athiests, but some are what you'd consider wiccans.
The statue isn't Satan, BTW.
I dated a wiccan chick once.....they are freaks in bed.
Originally posted by long pig
Also, digi is correct in his assertion that satanists don't believe in "Satan", at least not the biblical Satan. A lot of what they do is just to piss off Christians. Most are athiests, but some are what you'd consider wiccans.The statue isn't Satan, BTW.
I dated a wiccan chick once.....they are freaks in bed.
You do realize that just because someone claims they don't believe in Satan doesn't mean that they're actually telling the truth, right? Sorry, I"m not buying it and I never will. I have no reason to believe they are telling the truth when they call themselves Satanists. Satan is the prince of all lies, afterall.