U.S ignored pedophilia by Afghanistan allies.

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U.S ignored pedophilia by Afghanistan allies.

KABUL, Afghanistan — In his last phone call home, Lance Cpl. Gregory Buckley Jr. told his father what was troubling him: From his bunk in southern Afghanistan, he could hear Afghan police officers sexually abusing boys they had brought to the base.

“At night we can hear them screaming, but we’re not allowed to do anything about it,” the Marine’s father, Gregory Buckley Sr., recalled his son telling him before he was shot to death at the base in 2012. He urged his son to tell his superiors. “My son said that his officers told him to look the other way because it’s their culture.”

Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?_r=0

Ironically, the Taliban cracked down on this practice. Take your pick, misogynistic religious fanatics, or primitive tribal pedophiles.

What a shit country.

EDIT:

“The burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive, we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to our national customs!”

Its sick what that culture allows. Good luck, Germany.

We don't try to stop our enemies from doing it. Why should we stop our allies.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]We don't try to stop our enemies from doing it. Why should we stop our allies. [/B]

England allowed 1000s of girls and boys to be molested by Muslim Pakistani group. They'd go around grooming 10 year old boys and girls and eventually molesting them.
The government actually ignored it for years and finally tried to cover it up. They actually said they were afraid they'd offend other muslims if they cracked down on their pedophilia.

Omfg. Heres a documentary on those savages, it follows a rich afgahn who owns a business selling boys for rape. It shows him driving around looking for poor boys and he grooms them......disgusting.

https://vimeo.com/11352212

Originally posted by long pig
They actually said they were afraid they'd offend other muslims if they cracked down on their pedophilia.

This kind of just makes you want to repeatedly punch the face of anyway spouting ideas like this.

Originally posted by long pig
Its sick what that culture allows. Good luck, Germany.

I think it's worth noting that Afghan culture and Syrian culture aren't really the same. Afghan culture is much more tribal (whereas Syrians have a national identity) and Syrians tend to be much better educated. Plus there are just differences between Levantine Arabs and Afghans that go beyond their religious commonalities.

tl;dr, you can't just lump all Middle Eastern people together

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think it's worth noting that Afghan culture and Syrian culture aren't really the same. Afghan culture is much more tribal (whereas Syrians have a national identity) and Syrians tend to be much better educated. Plus there are just differences between Levantine Arabs and Afghans that go beyond their religious commonalities.

tl;dr, you can't just lump all Middle Eastern people together


Muhammad sexually abused a 10 year old. People write it off by saying "that was his culture ", but facts are facts.
The Quran says all Muslims should emulate him.

Coincidence?

Originally posted by long pig
Muhammad sexually abused a 10 year old. You can't overlook that. The Quran says all Muslims should emulate him.

I'm not overlooking it. But you should remember that the Bible also condones slavery and spousal abuse but not all Christians believe in those things. Or most of them even. Or even a modest percentage.

Also I'm pretty sure Aisha was younger than 10. *shudder*

Originally posted by long pig
Muhammad sexually abused a 10 year old.

Wait what?

One of his wives was like 5 when he married her and about 9 or so when they consummated the marriage. Mo was a pretty shitty guy.

This is the same person we aren't supposed to draw cartoons of?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm not overlooking it. But you should remember that the Bible also condones slavery and spousal abuse but not all Christians believe in those things. Or most of them even. Or even a modest percentage.

Also I'm pretty sure Aisha was younger than 10. *shudder*


Slavery is not permitted in the fashion we know it. The four biggest differences are:

1.You actually had to pay them huge sums of money to start their life when they leave.

2. They could only be "slaves" for 7 years.

3. They were to be treated like family. I.e find them wives etc.

It was common for slaves to marry their masters daughter.

4. It was voluntary FTMP. If you owed someone money and couldn't pay, you indenture yourself to them.

Originally posted by Surtur
This is the same person we aren't supposed to draw cartoons of?

Yeah. Sadly half the world tries to emulate that savage...and from the looks of the middle East, they're succeeding.

So getting a kid to suck on your taint is cool, just don't draw a picture of it. I love me some religion.

Please don't make this another religion topic. As for the specifics, indeed Afghanistan culture has a child abuse issue- as indeed it has considerable social challenges all over the spectrum. It is not a nice place by any stretch of the imagination. Putting this down to Islam is a bit simple, though, not only because that is trying to say all Muslims are the same like this, but it also ignores plenty of similarly tribal but Christian African nations that have similar issues. Socially primitive cultures have issues regardless (and if you want to argue that Islam encourages social primitivism, open a thread in the religion area).

As for the US looking the other way- well of course. There's no other option there. The US can't force justice onto the nation like that- that would require a massive occupation force for decades. The plan was to encourage local cooperation and plant the seeds of democracy so social progress would begin to be made on its own.

And no, it's not gone well, and any number of issues can be raised with the approach taken,. But what there never was was any realistic opportunity simply to stop the practice.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Please don't make this another religion topic. As for the specifics, indeed Afghanistan culture has a child abuse issue- as indeed it has considerable social challenges all over the spectrum. It is not a nice place by any stretch of the imagination. Putting this down to Islam is a bit simple, though, not only because that is trying to say all Muslims are the same like this, but it also ignores plenty of similarly tribal but Christian African nations that have similar issues. Socially primitive cultures have issues regardless (and if you want to argue that Islam encourages social primitivism, open a thread in the religion area).

As for the US looking the other way- well of course. There's no other option there. The US can't force justice onto the nation like that- that would require a massive occupation force for decades. The plan was to encourage local cooperation and plant the seeds of democracy so social progress would begin to be made on its own.

And no, it's not gone well, and any number of issues can be raised with the approach taken,. But what there never was was any realistic opportunity simply to stop the practice.

OK, question before we go back on topic:
In your opinion, why is there such a large problem with this in Islamic countries? Is it unrelated cultural matters?

I am more disappointed with the u.s military leaders than anything. Its another in a long line of reasons why i have lost faith in their ability to lead our good service men.

Originally posted by long pig
OK, question before we go back on topic:
In your opinion, why is there such a large problem with this in Islamic countries? Is it unrelated cultural matters?

It's in Christian countries as well, mostly in Africa. I see it more as a matter of political and social development- Europe (and hence the Americas as well) had a huge advantage here in the Renaissance and Reformation that laid the ground for social development. Much of Islam has not had this (Turkey is the major exception as they had a social reformation after WWI, though Turkey still has many issues there).

Trying to get into 'why not?' is then a giant religion topic on its own, but I don't think it is down to Islam in of itself.