New 'Lucifer' Ongoing Series (Vertigo)...

Started by Galan0077 pages

It's pretty terrible, tbh. Huge disservice to Carey.

The only thing that could make it worse would be if his power didn't work on Lucifer because he's the Will of God.

Lucifer gave up nearly all of his power at the end of Carey's run, so you're right. If the Anti-God's power was ineffectual against him, it would be VERY stupid.

I miss the Great Evil Beast. That was a much better 'Anti-God'.

Just read it, its not terrible but its not great either, its just okay imo. Gabriel just seems to be there, like just a normal average character, which we know he isn't. I think they are using him a little to much.. The only one I feel adds something to the story is when Mazikeen shows up, I think mainly cause it's something new that she is the queen of hell, taking the story somewhere else.

Holly needs to show she can do stuff like this, have her own idea's but stay true to continuity. Here's a good interview from blastr.com she had yesterday. In it saying, she wants to tie up some plot threads from previous stories, and has talked to Neil. Hope she can talk to Mike next.

http://www.blastr.com/2016-8-24/lucifer-comic-writer-holly-black-vol-1-and-raising-hell-neil-gaimans-devil

The Anti-God just comes off as another variation of the ALE, imo:

Michael did return, though, so that might make things a bit more interesting:

What happened to Michael after that?

That's all we saw of him this issue.

But I did forget to mention that Elaine returned as well:

Originally posted by Galan007
It's pretty terrible, tbh. Huge disservice to Carey.
It ended perfectly. I'm glad I haven't read any of it. Carey was exceptional.

Originally posted by Galan007
That's all we saw of him this issue.

But I did forget to mention that Elaine returned as well:

So, she's not God anymore?

She *should* be.

Toward the end of Carey's run, Elaine merged with creation in order to better experience it -- she has evidently taken on material form again. And as the scan states: she has been the one narrating the new Lucifer series this entire time, and even mentions her own omniscience. So yeah, I'd say she's still God.

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Hopefully he'll be able to fix this mess.

Well, Elaine gave Lucifer all his powers back:

We also know that Elaine herself is [quasi]omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. She will not intervene against the Anti-God due to the vow she made to never interfere -- hence why she restored Lucifer's power.

That's one way to keep an omnipotent out of the plot, I guess.

I haven't read this issue or the one before. Has it been explained how Elaine is right there and yet God/Elaine is "dead"?

Also interesting that she referred to the prior God as "The Presence".

There were technically two Supreme Beings at the end of Carey's run: Yahweh and Elaine(after becoming the Demiurge.) That's where the differentiation comes from.

Yahweh/The Presence as we know him was seemingly 'killed' in this series, but Elaine(ie. God part deux) still remains. Like I said, though: she made it pretty clear that she does not intend to directly intervene against the Anti-God:

...Although I suppose Elaine kind of did intervene(albeit indirectly) by restoring Lucifer's full power, along with giving him the 'key' to unlocking the power of the Basanos within Noema again.

Originally posted by Galan007
There were technically two Supreme Beings at the end of Carey's run: Yahweh and Elaine(after becoming the Demiurge.)

The way I read the end of Carey's run, Yahweh had left creation same as Lucifer never to return. He literally handed over creation to Elaine, after all. So for him to have been back on the throne is...unexpected. And unexplained, IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
There were technically two Supreme Beings at the end of Carey's run: Yahweh and Elaine(after becoming the Demiurge.) That's where the differentiation comes from.

Yahweh/The Presence as we know him was seemingly 'killed' in this series, but Elaine(ie. God part deux) still remains. Like I said, though: she made it pretty clear that she does not intend to directly intervene against the Anti-God:

...Although I suppose Elaine kind of did intervene(albeit indirectly) by restoring Lucifer's full power, along with giving him the 'key' to unlocking the power of the Basanos within Noema again.

Was it ever explained who killed God? I forgot. lol

You're absolutely right. It makes no sense, as Yahweh essentially abandoned creation... But if Lucifer can inexplicably return in this series, I suppose Yahweh can, too. 😘