Originally posted by zopzop
He's gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk and exchanged blows that were shaking reality. He's also not alone here. He has 3 other people helping him. Two of which almost downed Thor if it wasn't for Mjolnir.@Sin
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if your referring to crossroads incident that was circumstantial...n yes they do suck
thor could counter her with storm winds. vector would be a problem, but if thor can still call down lightning he'd still be able to take vector out. x-ray would be tough to counter but i'm not sure he could do enough damage to put thor down. if it's just thor physically against the team, he'd lose for sure imo.
Originally posted by leonidas
thor could counter her with storm winds. vector would be a problem, but if thor can still call down lightning he'd still be able to take vector out. x-ray would be tough to counter but i'm not sure he could do enough damage to put thor down. if it's just thor physically against the team, he'd lose for sure imo.
Didn't think of the winds to deal with Vapor, that could give Thor enough of an edge to deal with them. It might really come down to whether he could set that up properly while being attacked by the rest of the gang.
he can still call storms without the hammer, he just lacks his usual control. he wouldn't necessarily need to control the winds. hurricane winds would scatter her to pieces. he has called down lightning without the hammer. how accurate could he be? not sure. but a couple bolts would be enough to take out ironclad and vector. like i said, i think the real issue is x-ray. he'd be immune to whatever thor threw at him and could cause a lot of damage. he should be able to wear thor down and out eventually.
Originally posted by leonidas
he can still call storms without the hammer, he just lacks his usual control. he wouldn't necessarily need to control the winds. hurricane winds would scatter her to pieces. he has called down lightning without the hammer. how accurate could he be? not sure. but a couple bolts would be enough to take out ironclad and vector. like i said, i think the real issue is x-ray. he'd be immune to whatever thor threw at him and could cause a lot of damage. he should be able to wear thor down and out eventually.
That's not what Sin is saying though. Sin think Mjlonir physically amps Thor. She thinks he is weakened (even though me matched Jane in a fight).
Originally posted by carver9
So you think his power level declined? You think that Mjlonir amps him physically? Care to prove that?
Is it not obvious? Since Original Sin he has been depicted as weaker, less effective. He's lost to Devil Hulk, Cho Hulk, White Tiger, gets outperformed by Jen, Tony, Tchalla and has to be saved by Cap and you consider him in tip top shape? The whole Unworthy arc had him getting wrecked from everything and chained.
If mjolnir doesn't provide a physical amp then the psychological dependency is so great it affects his performance overall.
Even hard-core Thorfans don't believe Thor is physically weaker. He lost to Devil Hulk because Devil Hulk is more powerful than him. He lost to Cho because of the same reason. White Tiger was amped. Jen is amped off of Celestial power. Tony hasn't outperformed him. When he lose to current Hulk in their latest fight while being amped off of Odin power and having Mjlonir again, what will the excuse be?
Originally posted by carver9
Even hard-core Thorfans don't believe Thor is physically weaker. He lost to Devil Hulk because Devil Hulk is more powerful than him. He lost to Cho because of the same reason. White Tiger was amped. Jen is amped off of Celestial power. Tony hasn't outperformed him. When he lose to current Hulk in their latest fight while being amped off of Odin power and having Mjlonir again, what will the excuse be?
I really don't gaf what hardcore fans think. I'm telling you what happened on panel. Thor got one-shot by Devil Hulk but Tchalla, IM, Cap and Jen all performed better. White Tiger who had just wrecked Thor got beaten by Medusa so don't give me the amp bs. And lol at Cho being more powerful.
After Original Sin Thor lost his hammer, he lost his arm, he lost his name, he lost his will. You can't obviously think they're the same character.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
I really don't gaf what hardcore fans think. I'm telling you what happened on panel. Thor got one-shot by Devil Hulk but Tchalla, IM, Cap and Jen all performed better. White Tiger who had just wrecked Thor got beaten by Medusa so don't give me the amp bs. And lol at Cho being more powerful.After Original Sin Thor lost his hammer, he lost his arm, he lost his name, he lost his will. You can't obviously think they're the same character.
Thor got one punched, Tony literally almost died from a Thunderclap. Black Panther was hit once and almost died. Overloaded his vibranium armor and would've died if it wasn't for the Vibranium. Hulk punched Cap shield, didn't even punch him directly and it damaged Cap and took him out of the fight. Jen got one punched bfred. Soooooo, what are you even talking about.
Lol... Cho Hulk took on all of Earth heros and no one could stop him but himself. Did you read the book?
The rest of that stuff you said doesn't matter since nothing about Thor power level changed.