Peak!Scourge runs a gauntlet

Started by Nephthys2 pages

The fact that Vitiate considers them threats clearly indicates that they're srs bsns. I'm sure if it said he'd killed a thousand PT Jedi council members people would be spooging all over the place.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's exactly what they qualify as. They absolutely zero in the name of feats, accolades, and besides Scourge, existence. They are fodder that Scourge mows down to make him seem more impressive. You need a little more than, "I killed a little over a thousand randoms in 300 years" to compare to the big leagues, which Anakin is.

Is it a common trait now, that people can't grasp abstract concepts any longer? I don't need any particular feats, accolades or names for people, if a piece of information is clearly designed to present them in a certain fashion. In this case: As targets worthwile for the most powerful character in an era, to send his personal executor to go and kill them. The same character, mind you, that had an entire empire worth of resources [including things like the Imperial Guard] to do the job. And of course they are just their because of Scourge. To make it very clear that he is a character with a lot of combat experience that he gained fighting more than a 1,000 powerful foes, that were worth sending him to kill them.

That you are, seemingly, incapable to extrapolate that kind of information from the statement is rather sad. But outright ignorance doesn't serve as an argument for your side.

Furthermore, the nice "feats and accolades" you mention do also just boil down to arbitrary descriptions without any real "proof" of them being correct. Just to demonstrate the hilarity of your reasoning: If you ignore all kinds of implications and statements like the above, nothing is "special" any longer since - at the end - all "feats and accolades" boil down to arbitrary statements without any real "proof" behind them. If you ignore the idea, that Dooku is one of the most powerful Jedi in the PT era - and an even more powerful Sith Lord - (both absolutely arbitrary statements, given that you can only compare Dooku to other people who's claim to fame - finally - comes from arbitrary statements), Anakin defeating him isn't impressive any longer. Does that make sense for you?


"Zonakin" isn't a thing, and the fact that people continue to bring it up to low ball Anakin is retarded. Read the novel, before commenting on how l33t he was in it, and it's pretty obvious Anakin went next level and left almost everyone else in the dust by the time he confronted Dooku with Kenobi on the Invisible Hand.

I've read the novel when it came out and I spend quite a lot of time arguing that particular fight, re-reading the novel for it multiple times. And to suggest that Anakin, in the final moments of his fights against Dooku, isn't something noteably different from his "regular" shape is simple ignorance on the boarder of stupidity.

"Skywalker leapt from the balcony. Even as the boy hurtled downward, Dooku felt a new twist in the currents of the Force between them, and he finally understood.
He understood how Skywalker was getting stronger. Why he no longer spoke. How he had become a machine of battle. He understood why Sidious had been so interested in him for solong.
Skywalker was a natural.

There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart shouldbe, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training. He held the Force in the clench of a white-hot fist. He was half Sith already, and he didn't even know it.
This boy had the gift of fury.
And even now, he was holding himself back; [...]" - Revenge of the Sith Novelization, Chapter 3.

Emphasis mine. Anakin's Jedi training is limiting his abilities and he's holding back, fearing what might happen when he unleashes his emotions. Which he then does following Sidious command (novel) or Dooku's taunts (movie). After which this happens:

"A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself: Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.
It is that simple, and that complex.
And it is final.
Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.
[...]
And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.
[...]
Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste — the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life — are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax.
Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke.
[...]
Only he stands between death and the two men he loves bestin all the world, and he can no longer afford to hold anything back. That imaginary dead-star dragon tries its best to freeze away his strength, to whisper him that Dooku has beaten him before, that Dooku has all the power of the darkness, to remind him how Dooku took his hand, how Dooku could strike down even Obi-Wan himself seemingly without effort and now Anakin is all alone and he will never be a match for any Lord of the Sith — But Palpatine's words rage is your weapon have given Anakin permission to unseal the shielding around his furnace heart, and all his fears and all his doubts shrivel in its flame.
[...]
His head has been filled with the smoke from his smothered heart for far too long; it has been the thunder that darkens his mind. On Aargonar, on Jabiim, in the Tusken camp on Tatooine, that smoke had clouded his mind, had blinded him and left him flailing in the dark, a mindless machine of slaughter; but here now, within this ship, this microscopic cell of life in the infinite sterile desert of space, his firewalls have opened so that the terror and the rage are out there, in the fight instead of in his head, and Anakin's mind is clear as a crystal bell.
In that pristine clarity, there is only one thing he must do.
Decide.
So he does.
He decides towin.
"
- Revenge of the Sith novelization, Chapter 4.

Emphasis mine.
It is pretty clear that, in that precise moment, Anakin casts aside all things that were limiting him before. And he even moves beyond a point where he just used the Dark Side (the "smoke that has clouded his mind" when slaughtering the Tusken on Tatooine for example). For that brief moment he is in complete control of his potential abilities and can just decide to win against Dooku, regardless of the latters abilities.

So it's pretty clear that Anakin doesn't have similar abilities before or after that moment, because either of his (limiting) Jedi training or his (limiting) emotions kicking in. Otherwise, we would see a dead Obi-Wan Kenobi at the end of the storyline - and perhabs a dead Sidious before or after that, depending on Anakin's decissions.