Karness Muur vs Darth Nox
Darth Nox arrives on Had Abbadon to claim the Muur Talisman. Upon landing, she is ambushed by a mob of rakghouls. Nox obliterates them with a swath of Force Lightning, then finds their creator wearing the Muur Talisman.
Standard morals. Nox has Kallig's saber, as well as all of her Ghosts. Muur has his own and the Muur Talisman, but he's in his own body.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Darth Nox (with his amps) literally steam-rolled Darth Thanaton (officially one of the strongest Sith in galactic history). To be honest, Darth Nox is way too overpowered with his amps.
You proposing that Nox would overrun Muur the same way he did Thanaton?
For whatever it's worth, Muur's also the more skilled duelist than Nox.
Originally posted by SunRazer
You proposing that Nox would overrun Muur the same way he did Thanaton?For whatever it's worth, Muur's also the more skilled duelist than Nox.
Karness Muur's skills with a lightsaber would be useless in this contest. Darth Nox may prevent his opponent from using his lightsaber and disintegrate the weapon with his Force powers. This happened to Darth Thanaton.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
More of less, yes.Karness Muur's skills with a lightsaber would be useless in this contest. Darth Nox may prevent him from using his lightsaber and disintegrate the weapon with his Force powers. This happened to Darth Thanaton.
Thanaton doesn't really compare to Muur in power either, lol. There's no way Nox is throwing him around with TK, and Muur's Tutaminis will suffice in holding Nox off (especially with Muur also siphoning Nox's power).
Also, Nox didn't disintegrate Thanaton's saber, he made Thanaton bow with telekinesis when the latter tried charging him. That won't happen here, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Thanaton doesn't really compare to Muur in power either, lol. There's no way Nox is throwing him around with TK, and Muur's Tutaminis will suffice in holding Nox off (especially with Muur also siphoning Nox's power).
But the inquisitor nearly loses everything after being caught in a trap devised by Darth Thanaton, a supremely powerful Sith and harsh traditionalist who bristles at the idea of a former slave rising to sudden influence. To combat Thanaton's insurmountable strength, the inquisitor learns the ritual of Force-walking and gains power by consuming the energy of Darth Andru, a seething Force spirit locked away on Dromund Kaas. Fueled by the ghost's power, the inquisitor confronts Thanaton – only to be nearly eradicated by the superior Sith's dark sorcery. (Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia)
Information available here as well: http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20150924
The official revelation gives the impression that it is not possible to contend with Darth Thanaton with conventional tactics. An individual has to master the art of Sith Sorcery and look for augmentative methods to stand a chance against him.
Karness Muur being superior to Darth Thanaton is just an assumption, not an established fact. At minimum, both can be in the same ballpark.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Also, Nox didn't disintegrate Thanaton's saber, he made Thanaton bow with telekinesis when the latter tried charging him. That won't happen here, lol.
But I will recheck the fight.
Can't quote the post.
Karness Muur being superior to Darth Thanaton is just an assumption, not an established fact. At minimum, both can be in the same ballpark.
No, not really. Pre-DLOTS Wyyrlok is already in the same ballpark as Thanaton (annihilating famed ancient Sith sorcerers with Sorcery/Illusions, destroying Andeddu's cultists with an "iota of his power" and so on), and even in his Vong armor Krayt was canonically more powerful than him (with supposedly far better Lightning and Telekinesis than any other Sith in his Order, which would include Wyyrlok). Muur being more canonically powerful than Krayt puts him out of Thanaton's ballpark. You can search up my RT for him for more information.
I'm aware of Thanaton's quotes and abilities, by the way. I've seen his SWTOR scenes repeatedly, played the SI storyline and read the Blood of the Empire comics once.
We never witness disintegration of a Lightsaber in SWTOR game; the game's engine does not animation capabilities of this level. We have to rely upon our assumptions.But I will recheck the fight.
It's never been stated or implied in the film. Thanaton just loses it when its forced out of his hand by Nox's TK.
Originally posted by SunRazer
No, not really. Pre-DLOTS Wyyrlok is already in the same ballpark as Thanaton (annihilating famed ancient Sith sorcerers with Sorcery/Illusions, destroying Andeddu's cultists with an "iota of his power" and so on), and even in his Vong armor Krayt was canonically more powerful than him (with supposedly far better Lightning and Telekinesis than any other Sith in his Order, which would include Wyyrlok). Muur being more canonically powerful than Krayt puts him out of Thanaton's ballpark. You can search up my RT for him for more information.
You assume that Darth Andeddu was in his prime condition after a hiatus that spanned centuries? Andeddu didn't had time to recover from the effects of such a long hiatus and was forced into a confrontation right off the bat.
To give you an idea, Exal Kressh felt that she needed some time to fully recover from the effects of stasis after being awakened from it.
Now imagine what would be left of someone who had been in slumber for centuries. Not much, to be honest. To give you some idea; when Andeddu was in his prime, a Strike Team was needed to subjugate him.
As far as Darth Thanaton is concerned; he was so powerful that Darth Nox was forced to learn the technique of Force-walking and use it to bind Force ghosts to himself to stand a chance against him. This is not a common development. Darth Nox went out of his way to defeat Darth Thanaton in their rivalry and this says a lot about the power and capabilities of the latter Sith Lord.
Originally posted by SunRazer
I'm aware of Thanaton's quotes and abilities, by the way. I've seen his SWTOR scenes repeatedly, played the SI storyline and read the Blood of the Empire comics once.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It's never been stated or implied in the film. Thanaton just loses it when its forced out of his hand by Nox's TK.
Vitiate disarmed the entire Jedi Strike Team (led by Jedi Master Tol Braga) with his powers on his space station; I personally assume that the lightsabers of these Jedi disintegrated under pressure and intensity of Vitiate's powers. This is sound assumption since Exal Kressh disintegrated Teneb Kel's lightsaber with a blast of Force Lightning. However, SWTOR game ignores this development in its entirety and just demonstrates the Jedi in disarmed fashion after experiencing Vitiate's FLS and are knocked-out by another blast of power soon after.
You assume that Darth Andeddu was in his prime condition after a hiatus that spanned centuries? Andeddu didn't had time to recover from the effects of such a long hiatus and was forced into a confrontation right off the bat.To give you an idea, Exal Kressh felt that she needed some time to fully recover from the effects of stasis after being awakened from it.
Hm, but Andeddu wasn't *stasis*, he was possessing a perfectly healthy body, and before that he was an aware and active spirit. If there were signs of fatigue or recovery needed, we didn't see it.
Originally posted by Q99
Hm, but Andeddu wasn't *stasis*, he was possessing a perfectly healthy body, and before that he was an aware and active spirit. If there were signs of fatigue or recovery needed, we didn't see it.
If Darth Andeddu was not in stasis, then in what kind of state he was?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Exal Kressh didn't look fatigued either but she admitted her temporary vulnerability while conversing with Teneb Kel.If Darth Andeddu was not in stasis, then in what kind of state he was?
He was a disembodied spirit in a holocron who took over a healthy and strong darkside cultist. At which point he showed no hesitating challenging the strongest sith in sight.
Originally posted by Q99
He was a disembodied spirit in a holocron who took over a healthy and strong darkside cultist. At which point he showed no hesitating challenging the strongest sith in sight.