Why didn't God kill the Devil?

Originally posted by carthage
God blames Free will even though in his infinite knowledge he can see every potential action, every thought, and predict every consequence while in our fallible mortal intellect we are subject to the causal nature of supposed "Original sin" and a Fallen being whom we've never met that seduced a pair of human beings thousands of years ago, by a tree God planted, and left sitting there and damned the rest of human beings without consent or without justification to being eternally ****ed when we did nothing wrong and came into this world having done nothing.

Sounds about right with the ****ed up Christian worldview.

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Ya gotta keep on keepin on.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Well, he is chained in the bottomless pit during Christ's 1000 year rule on Earth. Afterwards, Satan is released for a short time for one final insurgency, then he is judged and cast into the lake of fire.

Precisely. I posted that earlier. In this thread, iirc.

Originally posted by Star428
Precisely. I posted that earlier. In this thread, iirc.

That's cool..I didn't read every page

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
There is an appointed Day of Judgment for fallen angels and mankind. It is similar to how we do not execute death elrow inmates immediately after sentencing.

I don't think God is necessarily evil for making innocent humans suffer for the sins of Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (which he created, mind you.) I view him as either a mischievous and/or misguided attention-whore. Someone like Porky Minch from Mother 3.

Originally posted by Surtur
This is a serious question..I'm an atheist, but lets pretend God does exist for a minute. God is supposed to be good and Satan is supposed to be evil. In the bible God kills evil humans en masse on multiple occasions. So why not Satan?

The concept of Satan is to represent, and give cause to, the evil and temptation in this world.

So, God can't "kill the Devil" since he gave all individuals free will, which can accept "Satan" in.

In a sense, destroying "Satan" would be limiting one's free will. That's my take on it, at least.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
There is an appointed Day of Judgment for fallen angels and mankind. It is similar to how we do not execute death elrow inmates immediately after sentencing.

As God allegedly sees all that was, is and shall be, there is thus no reason to wait before passing judgment. If our courts had the ability to know with absolute certainty whether a person was innocent or guilty there wouldn't be any delays between sentencing and execution. They'd be taken out of court and executed right then and there.

Originally posted by Star428
Actually, archangel Michael is more poweful than Satan/Lucifer, imo.

Lucifer has superior feats.

Originally posted by Star428
I'm pretty sure he's the one who defeated Lucifer in one-on-one combat

That duel was non-canon.

LMFAO. Love you man 👆

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
I don't think God is necessarily evil for making innocent humans suffer for the sins of Adam and Eve eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (which he created, mind you.) I view him as either a mischievous and/or misguided attention-whore. Someone like Porky Minch from Mother 3.

God's actions have resulted in the suffering of billions of people, are performed purely for self-serving causes and with full prior knowledge of the consequences. According to human morality, you can't really get any more evil than that.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
LMFAO. Love you man 👆

So you roll that way, huh? Not really surprised.

Originally posted by Star428
So you roll that way, huh? Not really surprised.

We're both on KMC mainly due to the Star Wars versus section.

Here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/

"non-canon" and "feats" are general terms used. He's trolling.

Take a joke for once. It's not as funny when I need to explain it.

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Whoever said Satan had power above God needs to not reply.

1. Jehovah didn't want to kill the devil because that would be a BAD example to the other angels. As he doesn't condone killing especially when Angels do it in heaven.

2. Satan challenged Jehovah about humanity and he accepted this but when Satan tried to take the thrown MICHAEL had to step in to handle his younger brothers.

3. Jehovah wouldn't kill his Son as he is a loving father

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The better questions to be asking are: "Why did God create the Devil?", or "Why did God create sin?", or "Why did God create life to be inherently sinful?"

The obvious answer to "Why didn't God kill the Devil", is because the Devil is exactly what God wants him to be. He's omnipotent and omniscient, he theoretically can't make mistakes. God's motivations are the real mystery.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
The better questions to be asking are: "Why did God create the Devil?", or "Why did God create sin?", or "Why did God create life to be inherently sinful?"

The obvious answer to "Why didn't God kill the Devil", is because the Devil is exactly what God wants him to be. He's omnipotent and omniscient, he theoretically can't make mistakes. God's motivations are the real mystery.

*sigh*... All of those questions you've asked in your first paragraph have been answered several times over in different places in religion forum. It's Christmas though and I'm in a pretty good mood so I'll save you the time of searching throughout forum.

1. God didn't create the devil. He created a perfect angel named Lucifer. Lucifer became Satan the devil thru his own rebellious actions.

2. LOL. God didn't "create sin" either. That's ludicrous but thanks for the good laugh. Sin is transgression against God's laws. So what you're claiming He did doesn't make any sense. Sin entered the world when Adam and Eve willingly chose to disobey God. He gave them free will. Eve could've resisted the serpent's charms and Adam could've resisted Eve's but they chose to give in and defy God's command.

3. Likewise, God didn't create humans to be inherently sinful. All humans, except for Christ when He was in human form, inherited the sinful nature from Adam and Eve. If Adam and Eve had stayed obedient to God then humans wouldn't have inherited any sinful nature. That's not to say that they never would've been tempted to sin though.

That's just the thing; Lucifer wasn't perfect. Rather, he was decidedly imperfect. His hubris and rebellious nature are evidence of personality flaws. A perfect creature would not sin.

If what you're saying is that God wasn't aware that Lucifer would turn on him from the start, then you're effectively saying he's not omnisicent or omnipotent. That's not an illegitimate take, but most Christians would disagree I would think.

Also, that last point doesn't refute anything I said at all. God created Adam and Eve, who were inherently sinful. 😬

Watching O'Reilly right now. I'll answer when I have more time.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's just the thing; Lucifer wasn't perfect. Rather, he was decidedly imperfect. His hubris and rebellious nature are evidence of personality flaws. A perfect creature would not sin.

If what you're saying is that God wasn't aware that Lucifer would turn on him from the start, then you're effectively saying he's not omnisicent or omnipotent. That's not an illegitimate take, but most Christians would disagree I would think.

Also, that last point doesn't refute anything I said at all. God created Adam and Eve, who were inherently sinful. 😬

1. Guess I should've explained further. He was perfect in beauty but God still gave him (like all other angels and all humans) free wil. God didn't plant something in him that made him turn bad. Lucifer made the decision willingly to rebel against Him. God's creation of him was not "flawed" in any way. Sure, God could've made a bunch of slaves if He wanted to who would've never questioned Him or done anything bad but He didn't want a bunch of mindless robots.

2. Well, what you have to understand is that, as humans, our limited minds can't begin to understand everything about a being like God or His intentions or why He does some of the things He does. We can only speculate. It may seem like a bit of a paradox to you and me that He, an all-powerful all-knowing being, made a being that He knew would turn on Him eventually but that's only because we have a very limited understanding of our Creator. Maybe one day we will understand.

3. No. When He first created them they were perfect. As perfect as humans can be. He let them have free will. They made the choice to sin. No one made them. You keep acting as if God planted a seed in them that made them sin. That's false though. They could've resisted the temptation but they chose not to. The fact that God may've already known they were going to disobey doesn't change the fact that the decision was still theirs to make. Him knowing how they were going to choose didn't force them to make the decision they did. The same thing applies to your Lucifer going bad argument.

God could've made a bunch of slaves who would've never questioned Him or done anything bad, but He didn't want mindless [...]

This is exactly my point; he could've made beings that wouldn't question him or do bad things, but he chose to make ones that would.

As a being of infinite knowledge and wisdom, God wouldn't do this without a reason. The next logical step is that God intended for the Devil to be what he is from the very start, which is why he didn't kill him. 👆

Well, what you have to understand is that, as humans, our limited minds can't begin to understand everything about a being like God or His intentions or why He does some of the things He does. We can only speculate. It may seem like a bit of a paradox to you and me that He, an all-powerful all-knowing being, made a being that He knew would turn on Him eventually but that's only because we have a very limited understanding of our Creator.

Again, exactly my point. I said in my first post that the question to be asking is: Why? What were God's motivations for creating a prideful, rebellious-natured angel?

There isn't a definitive answer to the question. That, at least imo, is what makes it a good one.

No. When He first created them they were perfect. As perfect as humans can be. He let them have free will. They made the choice to sin. No one made them. You keep acting as if God planted a seed in them that made them sin. That's false though. They could've resisted the temptation but they chose not to. The fact that God may've already known they were going to disobey doesn't change the fact that the decision was still theirs to make.

A perfect being wouldn't make bad/wrong decisions. 😕