Supernatural Season 11

I will always enjoy this show..but I will admit the season opener had me disappointed. It wasn't necessarily bad..it was just more of the same. The Winchesters seem to be living some kind of twisted version of Groundhog Day where time passes, but they are caught in the same eternal cycle.

Big Bad released by one of the brothers? Check. The brothers already keeping secrets from each other despite time and time again this biting them in the ass? Check. One of the brothers suffering from some sort of potentially deadly affliction? Check.

I did like the parts with Crowley though.

Basically my thoughts word for word.

And the Darkness turns out to be a "Hot White Chick"........mmmyeah. Oh well. At least it wasn't just another Douche bag in a suit.

Well I doubt its true form is that chick, but they had to choose something.

I wonder if they are going to touch on the fact *Death itself no longer is alive*. Surely this would have some kind of effect on the universe? I mean Death was supposed to reap God.

I found the premiere to be underwhelming, and almost felt like I was watching the pilot for The Walking Dead again in some parts. Only entertaining bit for me was the Crowley orgy bit. Was good for a chuckle.

Better second episode. The season might have some hope yet.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well I doubt its true form is that chick, but they had to choose something.

I wonder if they are going to touch on the fact *Death itself no longer is alive*. Surely this would have some kind of effect on the universe? I mean Death was supposed to reap God.

the darkness was released because the mark was destroyed.

as for the darkness' physical appearance, i figured that's the adult version of Amara she showed Dean. The Darkness likely doesn't have an actual appearance... it's probably just a cloud of smoke like demons and takes a host body.

That is the likely case, considering the Darkness even predates the concepts of time and space. It does make the whole timeline in the beginning a bit weird though. God and his Archangels fought the Darkness, but beings like Eve and the Leviathans predate even the Archangels. So the Darkness would have had to existed during the time they were created. Maybe that is the reason the Leviathans went bad in the first place. Got corrupted by the Darkness, so God had to create the Celestial host to defeat the Darkness and contain it, so that it wouldn't corrupt his future creations. Would make sense, considering we now know that it was in fact the reason for Lucifer's corruption.

history of the Darkness:

The Darkness "is born"

God "is born" Death "is born"... unknown which was "born" first

God creates Eve (i put her here because God apparently created something before the leviathans. not sure what else it could be.)

God created his first creatures, the leviathans... i assume for his own amusement.

(presumably) the darkness infected the leviathans

God created his second creatures, this time in his own image, the archangels (light)... in order to defeat the Darkness.

God created a seal for the darkness (the Mark) and gave it to Lucifer

God created more angels

God created purgatory because the leviathans were being naughty and (presumably) eating his angels.

God creates Heaven

God creates Earth and humans

the mark corrupts Lucifer who becomes jealous of humans

Lucifer gets booted from heaven

Lucifer creates the first demon, Lilith

(presumably) God creates hell and sends Lilith there

God replaces Lilith with Eve

Lucifer corrupts Eve, which cursed humanity with evil

Adam and Eve have Cain and Abel

Lucifer attempts to corrupt Abel, but Cain agreed to kill Abel in order for his soul to go to heaven and his own soul to go to hell.

Cain killed Abel with the first blade and Lucifer gave Cain the mark.

God got tired of Lucifer dicking around with his favorite creations and has Michael lock Lucifer in a cage in hell

Cain gets corrupted by the darkness and starts killing everything in his path

Cain kills himself and comes back as a demon and goes to hell and becomes the first knight

Cain meets his a woman, marries her and stops killing

the knights of hell kidnapped Cain's wife, forcing him to kill them all

Abaddon tricked Cain into killing his wife

Cain gives Dean the mark so that he can kill Abaddon

Crowley' mum destroys the mark

the Darkness is released

the Darkness take baby Amara as a host body and comes to Dean in a vision as adult Amara

Wait where was it said the darkness predates God? Or that it corrupted Lucifer?

Also yes I thought this episode was much better. I was also left wondering whether or not Billy the Reaper was in her own way trying to give Sam a hint on how to cure himself..or if she just slipped up in her wording.

The second episode was much, much better than the first. I loved the Ghostbusters line and Crowley stole every scene he was in. It was great when he suddenly reminded Dean just exactly who he is and as for that last scene... Well, let's just say that now I have hope for this season again.

Originally posted by Surtur
Wait where was it said the darkness predates God? Or that it corrupted Lucifer?

Death confirms both during his explanation in the season 10 finale. He says "Before there was light, before there was God and the Archangels, there wasn't nothing." There was a "destructive, amoral force" known as the Darkness. He then mentions how God sealed the Darkness with the Mark and passed it to Lucifer, but the mark revealed itself as the First Curse, and started to corrupt Lucifer, making him jealous of man.

Trying not to get my hopes up, but I have a feeling we might see some Archangels again in this season, at least in some aspect. We know they played a key role in stopping the Darkness last time. We've also been told that Michael and Lucifer are going apeshit inside the cage right now, because they can obviously feel that the Darkness is free, and when Sam asked God for a "sign" on what he needs to do, the imagery God sent him seemed eerily similar to when Lucifer and Michael were taking their frustrations out on him, when he was also trapped in the cage. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but I would be surprised if we don't get at least a little Archangel action this season.

I am also glad Crowley is back to his old self..he was pretty much becoming this shows version of "Spike" from Buffy. At least Spike became whipped because of a chick instead of a bromance.

As for arch angels, at this point what arch angels are left? Gabriel and Raphael are both dead and Michael and Lucifer are locked up.

I also got the feeling the image had something to do with his time in the pit with Lucifer and Michael. Not that it was just similar imagery..but rather an actual memory.

It's possible that because Lucifer at one time was possessing Sam's body maybe deep down he has some of Lucifer's own memories locked away?

But yeah I thought there were only 4 arch angels. It would be REALLY stupid for the Winchesters to release Michael and Lucifer from the cage. Yet they have a habit of doing stupid things. I half expected Sam to be like "that might be for the best" when Billy told him that next time they died they'd be "accidentally" dropped into the void.

Also I made mention of Billy's wording and if she meant to give Sam a hint or not..I also wonder about the New Death and who it might be? Remember she said "the old death used to find it funny" implying there is a new Death.

Well, they left Gabriel's status a bit ambiguous. He seemingly dies at Lucifer's hand, but later makes an appearance during Metatron's whole thing with Castiel, and even though the whole thing was an illusion or something, Metatron remarks at the end that Gabriel played his part of "the trickster" perfectly. Jeremy Carver also said that some fan favourites are going to make a comeback in "surprising" ways. So maybe some visions of Pellegrino Lucifer getting back in Sam's head, or maybe some more porn tapes from Gabriel? 😆

I agree that releasing Michael and Lucifer would be unbelievably stupid. Even if they managed to stop the Darkness, they'd pick up their own plans for the Apocalypse from where they left off last time.

And yeah, I also caught her saying "old" Death, which does imply that someone new took the mantel.

Also, the Crowley "candy" bit was brilliant. Good to see him finally acting like the King of Hell again.

You know I also did think at first Gabriel came back, especially because of the nature of what he is, but people kept telling me it was that Metatron chose to specifically create the illusion of Gabriel.

Which for me was odd because if Metatron was going to create illusions of someone to try to get Castiel on his side then why Gabriel? They showed no real connection. Hell Castiel had more of a connection to Meg then he did to Gabriel.

The angels brought up a good point too: Castiel has always chosen Sam and Dean over the other angels. I wonder if this is not out of just friendship, but guilt? The angels sat back and let events fold out in order for the Apocalypse to happen. Castiel himself is the one who freed Sam from Bobby's supernatural lock box..which allowed Sam to kill Lilith and all this stuff.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Death confirms both during his explanation in the season 10 finale. He says "Before there was light, before there was God and the Archangels, there wasn't nothing." There was a "destructive, amoral force" known as the Darkness. He then mentions how God sealed the Darkness with the Mark and passed it to Lucifer, but the mark revealed itself as the First Curse, and started to corrupt Lucifer, making him jealous of man.

oh, and in my summary of events, i meant to say that God created Lilith before the Leviathans, not Eve... but after thinking about it, that doesn't make sense because Lilith was a human and God didn't create humans until after the Leviathans.

Makes me wonder what those first creations were, if not the Leviathans were sent to purgatory.

Supernatural timeline isn't consistent.

Eve was supposed to have been before the angels and around with the Leviathans.

Which wouldn't make sense.

Wasn't the Eve in Supernatural the mother of all the different species of monsters including the leviathans from season 6?