Its so funny all the people that believe in big government and zero lack of leadership go for people like Hilary. She can't even run a foundation or a email server.
Carson is a neurosurgeon and Trump runs a billion dollar empire. I know the big government loons will say civilian achievements mean nothing.
Yet Hilary can do what? She couldn't even pick up the phone.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So wait a minute, when did humans give up the right to defend themselves based on winning or losing a holocaust?
It doesn't, but, hello? The original quote we're talking about was the idea that some civilians with guns would've stopped the holocaust.
It's not true, because army, or even police force, > civilians with small arms.
This is factual.
Even you admit that it's factual, but now you're trying to shift it onto the topic off that you were defending a quote that isn't factual, and trying to move it onto a new one.
First you tried to move it to 'but at least they'd take some with them,' which is, to state the obvious
Now you're trying to move it on to the abstract of self defense in general- but, of course, civilians with small arms don't make effective self defense in this situation, not in the slightest. Like you yourself admit, it would not have stopped the holocaust. In order to defend themselves, the Jewish Germans would've needed political protection so that the police could not be used against them and the SS not formed, not some side-arms.
And the original quote was about guns stopping the holocaust. That's the topic.
I love how you are blatantly trolling here.
In that I'm taking blame for all your goalpost shifting? Why certainly ^^ I thought you'd be happy to hear someone take credit for being at fault for you jumping topic to topic and justify being able to claim wins even when you're blatantly factually incorrect on the original topic.
Heck, I'll even pre-emptively take the blame for the next topic you're going to move to.
So everyone? Just be aware, whatever Time moves to next after having already used up 'they'll take some with them'* and 'basic right to self defense,'** is totally my fault.
* (doesn't make the original quote less wrong)
**(likewise, doesn't make the original quote less wrong, as it doesn't actually provide a useful self defense)
*Edit*
Ah, it seems you've posted while I'm writing this. The new topic? Start talking about something else and hope that no-one noticing that you shifted off the actual facts in question! ^^
Originally posted by Q99
It doesn't, but, hello? The original quote we're talking about was the idea that some civilians with guns would've stopped the holocaust.It's not true, because army, or even police force, > civilians with small arms.
This is factual.
Even you admit that it's factual, but now you're trying to shift it onto the topic off that you were defending a quote that isn't factual, and trying to move it onto a new one.
First you tried to move it to 'but at least they'd take some with them,' which is, to state the obvious
Now you're trying to move it on to the abstract of self defense in general- but, of course, civilians with small arms don't make effective self defense in this situation, not in the slightest. Like you yourself admit, it would not have stopped the holocaust. In order to defend themselves, the Jewish Germans would've needed political protection so that the police could not be used against them and the SS not formed, not some side-arms.
And the original quote was about guns stopping the holocaust. That's the topic.
In that I'm taking blame for all your goalpost shifting? Why certainly ^^ I thought you'd be happy to hear someone take credit for being at fault for you jumping topic to topic and justify being able to claim wins even when you're blatantly factually incorrect on the original topic.
Heck, I'll even pre-emptively take the blame for the next topic you're going to move to.
So everyone? Just be aware, whatever Time moves to next after having already used up 'they'll take some with them'* and 'basic right to self defense,'** is totally my fault.
* (doesn't make the original quote less wrong)
**(likewise, doesn't make the original quote less wrong, as it doesn't actually provide a useful self defense)*Edit*
Ah, it seems you've posted while I'm writing this. The new topic? Start talking about something else and hope that no-one noticing that you shifted off the actual facts in question! ^^
Are you a fortune teller? I didn't know you could look back and see the past and decide their fate.
Who the hell are you to say they could not have stopped it, or at least slowed it down?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Are you a fortune teller? I didn't know you could look back and see the past and decide their fate.Who the hell are you to say they could not have stopped it, or at least slowed it down?
He/she is a liberal, TI. Don't you realize that they know everything? 😂
Who are we to question their "all-knowingness"? 😆
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I love these stupid arguments, it just shows their hatred to Israel.
"You hate Israel!"
Is this the new "you don't support the troops!" that was rampant in the early to mid years of the Iraq war as a means to bully people into silence whenever someone said anything remotely negative about the US invading Iraq?