BW'sopener wss no surprise. Pretty much everything i expected.
Gotta say though I'm gonna steal some of those scans, I've used Nth metal a lot in tourneys to do the whole Synn thing as well as in a street/low meta level tourney as armor against just abiut any type of energy attack and I've only used/seen 3/4 of of those scans
Originally posted by carver9
Got a question. Don't seem to harp on anyone's BZ but with Blair character, would growing be considered amping?
It's the legality issue brought up early in the tournament. PG offered to allow all forms of amping, or ban it all. But there was not enough input to make a decision so the rules remained as is.
So is what BW doing legal? Short answer yes.
Is it a form of amping? Short answer yes.
Well... sortof.
Perhaps this is best to happen in-debate, but I would argue that Jeffries/Adamantium allows for an extension of existing Adamantium properties - Wolverine and Jeffries get the same basic value out of Adamantium. Hank/Creel get different powers from Nth Metal than Hawkman does, which I would think falls within the spirit of 'amping'- controlling fundamental forces isn't a natural extension of either Hank's or Hawkman's powers.
If this line of argument is better pursued in a match, I can do so if/when I face Blair. I just thought I'd bring it up as long as we were commenting on legality in this thread.
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Seems reasonable to deal with it in-match or through official rulings; whichever is decided. My opinion certainly isn't definitive, of course. It just came up and I thought I'd weigh in.
It's not like it wasn't foreseeable, though. I was invoking the Jeffries rule to warn everyone about what Creel could do along these lines in the previous tournament. I'm actually surprised it took this long to come up, given all the redrafts we had.
I assume you guys have options either way, though. No strategy is foolproof.
Pretty sure it didn't come up in the last tourney because everyone could see it's clearly amping in a non-amping tournament.
PG ruled that materials were not allowed to give participants powers they could not access by themselves.
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Originally posted by psycho gundam
Same as Abhilegend's question: your power isn't growing after amalgamation, even if the power is within you to access. That's not to say that you don't have reserves that are then stripped of your character like say Captain Atom. He just can't go past what he's shown on-panel within the draft cap. He can't turn into MonarchJust don't amp.
No power growing after amalgamation, on panel showings only.
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Regardless of powerset, growing to geometrically increase the strength/power of another character.If Blair had Pym, Storm, and Professor X then he should def be allowed to grow because he's just using Pym'of strength/powerset in doing so, but the way he's doing it is no different than using Ray to increase Supes's powers, which was specifically banned. That type of thing is the whole reason I was going to withdraw until it was made clear that type of amping is barred. Pym's shrinking/control of ants are fine, but growing like this is amping.
Bumping the rules
Originally posted by psycho gundam
RulesPower Level & Format: 3-character amalgam or team. 2 mid-Herald limit but if you choose anything lower you can use a 3 person team minus a mid-herald level character.
Post Limit: 5
CIS & PIS is OFF!: We are drafting 2-3 characters, and their abilities. You the participant take ownership of how said characters & abilities will be realized in combat.
Character Knowledge: Contestants are fully aware the characters drafted, including its history, and weaknesses.
Also the Amalgam can use powers as good as the originals.Amping Rules: Disallowed. Materials that aid a power (i.e. Jeffries/adamantium) are allowed. Power amping is not (i.e. The Ray + Kara)
Note: Amping is a state of empowerment fueled by some source source, that increases a characters physical prowess or ability.
Banned: Power Unlock. Going forward No form of amping, or power unlock will be allowed.
Tech Creation & Non-Autonomous Constructs/Summons: High Herald limit.
No you can not summon an entire realm or dimension.
Interchanging Feats: You are in control of the character, but you are also confined to what that character has accomplished historically.
You can't borrow feats from someone else, even if your similar characters.
Example:
X-Man can not Borrow Feats Cable.
G.L. Hal can not Borrow Feats from G.L. John.Prep: You are given time to raise shields. Otherwise NO prep time.
Clarification: Only traditional shields are allowed during prep (as in repelling external forces). Cloaking, masking, or shielding your presence are NOT allowed during prep.Creating gear can only take place in the heat of battle, after the bell has rung.
TP: High-Herald
Speed: Over lightspeed but not double. Teleportation IS allowed.
Banned Powers: Reality Warp, Time Manip., Duplication, Power Copying, Autonomous Constructs (tech or magic), Memory Retention
Note: Space Manipulation, Matter Manipulation, and the Speed Force is allowed provided that the drafted characters are low herald and below.
Functional Immortals are Banned: Functional immortals such as Lobo, Mr. Immortal, Deadpool are disallowed or voided.
Standard Gear Rule Character comes in with what he is historically known for caring.
Non standard gear must be created you NOT grab it from your lab, and equip yourself with it.
BFR BFR is banned.
Self BFR is only good for phasing.
Good for 1 second.
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