Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi4, 5, and 6 aren't canon because H20 and Resurrection are.
Where does it say 4, 5 and 6 aren't canon? That confuses me some. I would thought No. 3 wasn't canon since it essentially was all about a factory making Halloween masks and nothing about Myers really.
Michael hadn't been heard from in 20 years after Halloween 2, then the events of H20 happened. So 4, 5, and 6 never occurred.
H20 and Resurrection can be considered a different time line than 4, 5, and 6 but both series are considered valid sequels to H1 and 2. H3 is off in its own world. I addressed feats from both as events from both were brought up, those being the posse shoot out and axe decapitation.
As far as feats go you can use either time line legitimately but even based on the first 2 Halloween movies Rick isn't going to stop Michael, especially with no prep and 6 rounds. I thought the gun Laurie shot him with was a .357, but even if it was the less powerful .38 special one round at that range should have blown the back of his skull out and two rounds didn't even manage to make a single exit wound. A .44 is more powerful but with that kind of durability it's not going to put him down.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13
H20 and Resurrection can be considered a different time line than 4, 5, and 6 but both series are considered valid sequels to H1 and 2. H3 is off in its own world. I addressed feats from both as events from both were brought up, those being the posse shoot out and axe decapitation.As far as feats go you can use either time line legitimately but even based on the first 2 Halloween movies Rick isn't going to stop Michael, especially with no prep and 6 rounds. I thought the gun Laurie shot him with was a .357, but even if it was the less powerful .38 special one round at that range should have blown the back of his skull out and two rounds didn't even manage to make a single exit wound. A .44 is more powerful but with that kind of durability it's not going to put him down.
And yet and knife to the shoulder and falling ~20 feet knocked him out for a long time.
Loomis has put him down twice with bullets, both times with 6 shots iirc. Rick has more than 6 rounds.
Loomis shot him six times and knocked him out of a second story window and in the time it took him to go to the window and look down Michael was up and gone. I'm not aware of any .44 that holds more than 6 rounds, in fact a lot of them only hold 5, but even if we go with something bigger that holds 6 Michael won't let him reload. After tanking all the rounds he'll have Rick stabbed or sliced before he can get more rounds in the chambers.
Originally posted by Mindsetbut it didn't put him down long enough to count as a forum win either time. The first one is debatable as it might have barely been 30 seconds... but even then it was close. The first time Loomus shots him in No. 2 and "puts him down" it was likely he wasn't even that hurt. Loomus even comments that he's not dead... he's breathing as the cop walks over to him. Clearly he wasn't hurt that bad, and was likely playing more possum that anything else. Even if we say he wasn't, he wasn't done longer than 30 seconds anyways.
And yet and knife to the shoulder and falling ~20 feet knocked him out for a long time.Loomis has put him down twice with bullets, both times with 6 shots iirc. Rick has more than 6 rounds.
Yet his durability obviously got stronger in the very same movie... the next time he was shot.. through both eyes with the same gun.. it didn't even put him down for temp KO or even knock him down.
Which brings up another point... I could easily see Rick going up to him to finish him off with a few more bullets to the head.. and promptly getting stomped in the process. Rick has a tendency to do this.. and that would be a fatal mistake.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13That was one time, what about the others I mentioned?
Loomis shot him six times and knocked him out of a second story window and in the time it took him to go to the window and look down Michael was up and gone. I'm not aware of any .44 that holds more than 6 rounds, in fact a lot of them only hold 5, but even if we go with something bigger that holds 6 Michael won't let him reload. After tanking all the rounds he'll have Rick stabbed or sliced before he can get more rounds in the chambers.
Rick won't stand still while reloading, he's faster than Meyers.
So how many rounds are we giving Rick? He's not gonna have a ton on him in this scenario. In fact given the scenario he'd see Michael wearing a mask, using a knife and deliberately killing people so he'd know it wasn't a walker and wouldn't go for a head shot first. Rick in character would shoot to wound so he could get information like who sent Michael and how many others there were in his group.
By the time Rick realizes this is no ordinary man after the first six rounds don't even slow him down he's got a knife in his chest. Heck even with 24 rounds I don't see Rick winning this. Mikey is a tank and Rick doesn't have what it takes to stop him, he's survived much more than a single man with a .44.
Originally posted by Mindset
Rick usually goes for a headshot regardless.I'm not sure what Rick you're talking about, but the one in TWD would dome Michael without hesitation.
Lorie beat Michael with a knife. Loomis beat Michael with a handgun.
Rick would not just kill his only lead on a possible group of bandits or murderers outside of Alexandria. He'd want to take him alive to get info before offing him. Even if he's going for the kill from the start he can't stop Mikey.
Laurie didn't beat him with a knife, he played dead. Loomis unloaded all six rounds of .357 into his heart and he fell out a window and got up and walked away almost immediately. Laurie shot him point blank I'm the head twice and it didn't even slow him down. The bullets couldn't even exit the back of his skull he's so durable. Right after this he gets blown up and shrugs it off after a while. It's gonna take more than just Rick with a revolver to stop him. All of Alexandria gunning him down may not even be able to as Halloween 4 showed.
Originally posted by MindsetI just looked this up as well and it did act like this was a retcon although id need to hear an official stance to be sure.
Just looked it up, apparently, 4,5, and 6 aren't canon.So not sure where that leaves him with feats. He has taken bullets to the eyes and been fine, but knocked out from less. 😬
Originally posted by marvelmadness13
Rick would not just kill his only lead on a possible group of bandits or murderers outside of Alexandria. He'd want to take him alive to get info before offing him. Even if he's going for the kill from the start he can't stop Mikey.Laurie didn't beat him with a knife, he played dead. Loomis unloaded all six rounds of .357 into his heart and he fell out a window and got up and walked away almost immediately. Laurie shot him point blank I'm the head twice and it didn't even slow him down. The bullets couldn't even exit the back of his skull he's so durable. Right after this he gets blown up and shrugs it off after a while. It's gonna take more than just Rick with a revolver to stop him. All of Alexandria gunning him down may not even be able to as Halloween 4 showed.
Rick had basic knowledge of him. So he knows what he is and things like that. He has nothing to do with Alexandria, and neither does this fight. That's just the location.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13Rick doesn't question people, he kills them.
Rick would not just kill his only lead on a possible group of bandits or murderers outside of Alexandria. He'd want to take him alive to get info before offing him. Even if he's going for the kill from the start he can't stop Mikey.Laurie didn't beat him with a knife, he played dead. Loomis unloaded all six rounds of .357 into his heart and he fell out a window and got up and walked away almost immediately. Laurie shot him point blank I'm the head twice and it didn't even slow him down. The bullets couldn't even exit the back of his skull he's so durable. Right after this he gets blown up and shrugs it off after a while. It's gonna take more than just Rick with a revolver to stop him. All of Alexandria gunning him down may not even be able to as Halloween 4 showed.
How do you know if he was playing dead or knocked out? Why would he play dead if he could have gone after her?
I'm talking about the time Loomis shot him in the hospital.
When he was gunned down in Halloween 4 he was near death, it showed that in H5.
Originally posted by MindsetHow do you know if he was playing dead or knocked out? Why would he play dead if he could have gone after her?
I'm talking about the time Loomis shot him in the hospital.
When he was gunned down in Halloween 4 he was near death, it showed that in H5.
He wouldn't tank 6 rounds of .357 to the heart and a 20 foot fall no problem if a single stab could put him down that long. That's the only thing that makes sense, and it's not like it's something he doesn't do often.
I can't remember that part, but I do know that Laurie didn't even phase him with 2 rounds to the brain and that Mikey's skull was too tough to allow an exit wound.
Near death and dead aren't synonymous though. The point is if 12 guys with automatic 12 gauge shotguns can't kill Michael then Rick with a revolver definitely can't.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13Why would he pretend to be ko'd when 1 second before he was actively trying to kill her? He was obviously knocked out in this scene.
He wouldn't tank 6 rounds of .357 to the heart and a 20 foot fall no problem if a single stab could put him down that long. That's the only thing that makes sense, and it's not like it's something he doesn't do often.I can't remember that part, but I do know that Laurie didn't even phase him with 2 rounds to the brain and that Mikey's skull was too tough to allow an exit wound.
Near death and dead aren't synonymous though. The point is if 12 guys with automatic 12 gauge shotguns can't kill Michael then Rick with a revolver definitely can't.
That is his highest durability showing, every other showing is lower, his average is lower.
Neat, I never said he was dead. However, he was so hurt that he went into a coma and had to be nursed back to health over months iirc. If Rick keeps unloading into his skull then cuts his head off he can. Rick doesn't need to kill him anyway.
If one can survive multiple powerful rounds being emptied into my head and chest, falls, explosions, etc, then it makes more sense that one is playing dead after a single stab, especially as in this case the person is known to do that.
Michael has multiple feats showing that a guy with a gun can't stop him, Rick has no ability to survive the multiple stabbings and slashing Michael can give him. He's got no chance here.
Originally posted by marvelmadness13I see you won't admit to the truth, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Rick's only weapon is something Michael in his earliest showings tanked without even being slowed down. Rick is not immune to being stabbed or having his skull crushed. Rick loses.
Good thread. 👆