Arcann vs Darth Plagueis

Arcann. He should be able to tank Plagueis' Lightning if he can tank Lightning that's residual can blow up ships and kill hundreds for longer than a second. Has comparable or better TK. He practically free falls after expending a great deal of his energy fighting the HoT twice, and defending against aforementioned Lightning. Survives a building collapsing on him. Had enough power to kill the HoT and completely wreck HK. Etc. Etc.

He's GG.

Spoiler:
As for HK, descriptions says he can't be rebuilt. I'll hold out hpe that they'll not kill him off, but that's what it says.

Damn, KotFE has gone a long way in cinematics since vanilla TOR.

Plagueis.

Argument pls

Atcann was stomped vy Vitiate, was comperable duelist to HoT and superior as Force user. Tat would place him at best at Malgus/Revan level (which I doubt). Plagueis is in the same league with Vitiate, so it's not even close.

Plagueis stomps.

Well. I wouldn't go that far. Plagueis is certainly in Caedus's weightclass though, and that's enough.

.....yeah, SWTOR Brigade's got this on lock.

There's plenty of better arguments than those to be made, but I'm not particularly motivated to work on defending Plagueis myself. He's a peer of Palpatine's, and for the time being that should be enough to put him safely above Arcann.

Call me when the Dooku vs Arcann thread pops up.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
Well. I wouldn't go that far. Plagueis is certainly in Caedus's weightclass though, and that's enough.

Plagueis is above Caedus. And yeah, it's a stomp, since he already got stomped by Plagueis' equal.

Arcann is really pathetic

Originally posted by McP
Arcann is really pathetic

Why the hell do you still post here?

Originally posted by McP
[B]Plagueis is above Caedus. And yeah, it's a stomp, since he already got stomped by Plagueis' equal.

Arcann is really pathetic [/B]

No he isn't at least its debatable, and Arcann can at least give either a good fight in sabers. Demolishing Hero and forcing him to call on Vitiate like a little *****, is enough to put him close to Plagueis as a duelist

It wasn't a strict lightsaber duel between him and hero. He is superior Force user to him, which gave him and advantage in that fight. It wouldn't work against Maul, let alone Plagueis.

And Hero is highly overrated.

Originally posted by McP
It wouldn't work against Maul

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McP's opinions on TOR shouldn't even be addressed tbh.

Originally posted by McP
It wasn't a strict lightsaber duel between him and hero. He is superior Force user to him, which gave him and advantage in that fight. It wouldn't work against Maul, let alone Plagueis.

And Hero is highly overrated.

Watch the duel again he's beating him back and the Hero had to call on Vitiate like a loser and couldn't win by virtue of skill. It's an all out fight so the force is going to be paramount for victory to either party, and Arcann displayed superiority in both. regards.

Good point Neph. Just my opinion, I'm not interested in a debates with TOR fanboys. The same way, they shouldn't be interested in debating with me.

Most of SW games are consider by me as a sources, that highly exaggerate characters' abilities.
There are a games that are near perfect in showing heroes' feats. Like ROTS game or even JK series. Perhaps even a KOTOR I.
KOTOR II, perhaps TFU I and II are a good examples of sources that exaggerate abilities. And there is TOR. Most shittest of all.

In other kind of sources there was old CW cartoon, and series of comics that were basing on it. Try to compare that to TCW or "Republic" comics. Most of people would say:
CW Mace >>>>>>> ROTS, Republic, TCW etc etc Mace.
But that's not the true. Mace is Mace, it's our duty - as debaters - to use "powerscaling" and make everything clear.
That's easy, when it comes to do that in one single era. Espiecially if that Era is basing on movies, which are the best kind of sources.

Originally posted by carthage
Watch the duel again he's beating him back and the Hero had to call on Vitiate like a loser and couldn't win by virtue of skill. It's an all out fight so the force is going to be paramount for victory to either party, and Arcann displayed superiority in both. regards.

Allright, you're right. But still, it wont change my opinion much, since I consider Hero as inferior to Maul. Being in the same league with Maul, or even a bit above doesn't guarantee that you wont be stomped by Plagueis.

Well I certainly agree with you about TFU and the old CW. Those are surely exaggerated content. Not seeing where Kotor II having exaggerated feats comes from other than that it has good ones though.

I dunno, you just seem very biased against TOR. It really doesn't exaggerate that much outside of things that are obviously just mistakes like one of the Warrior's companions soloing over 700 men cuz the writer didn't look into how big a brigade or whatever was. Or Tulak Hord soling 1000 Jedi. Like Kotor II it just has a bunch of really goddamn powerful dudes in it.

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Unlike KOTOR!Revan and Malak, Kreia, Sion and Nihilus are pretty pathetic. Destroys life on the planets, giga-shit-drains and some kind of pathetic immortality is something senseless, stupid and pathetic for me. Revan from KOTOR was really comperable to movie's characters. That was a great thing.

Also, I'm not feeling well in that new canon. I'm not even sure if TOR and Movies and other canon sources are in the same canon.

In a Legends that was simple for me. There were movies, Lucas' own words and reference books (also part of G-canon as I remember).

So when I had a notion that Sidious was most powerful in histroy, I knew that was true. And every other character who had superior showings in a games or comics, wasn't superior to him. And those showings were exaggerated.

I also try to be fair for each Era (except Bane's, which i like trolling and hating).
So, when I place Sidious, Yoda and Plagueis at the highest tier of their Era, I also put there a strongest guy from TOR Era - Vitiate. he has no equal in TOR, so there are no others in that tier/league.
Another tier is for Mace, Vader, Dooku and Anakin at his best shape. It's also a place for Revan, Malgus, perhaps Nihilus as well. It would be fair to put Bane and perhaps Zannah in that league too (I doubt that Bane's era has a truly powerhauses like Sidious, Yoda or Vitiate).

That's my own way of powerscaling in SW. That's why I dislike TOR's fanboys.

More then that, my fav kind of sources were always:
Movies, Luceno's books, Republic' comics, Jedi comics series (Dooku, Mace etc).
Luceno's characters wont be as strong as TOR's in terms of showings. Luceno's Sidious << Sidious in most of other sources. But as I said in a post above, it's the same Sidious. Just powerscaling is needed.

So basically somethings exaggerated if you don't like it. And anything that challenges your perceptions must be disregarded. Neat.