Reverse Flash vs Sebastian Shaw

Started by Tattoos N Scars2 pages

Reverse Flash vs Sebastian Shaw

Can Shaw absorb the kinetic energy in this fight, or could Wells kill him with a hand through the chest or head? Fight takes place in the streets of Central City

If intangibility works (and I personally think it probably will, considering we have no proof Shaw can tank having a fist suddenly materialise in the space where his brain or heart used to be), then Reverse Flash absolutely stomps. At best this is a stalemate in anyways, as Shaw won't lay a finger on Thawne.

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Hand into the brain, shaw dies.

No one think Shaw would absorb all the energy? I mean RF vibrating much produce a shit ton of kinetic energy right?

Yeah the amount of energy produced from vibrating at a frequency that high should amp Shawn pretty far, pretty fast.

Originally posted by juggerman
No one think Shaw would absorb all the energy? I mean RF vibrating much produce a shit ton of kinetic energy right?

Finger through the brain. Dead.

As fast as RF moves. I'd assume he could vibrate his hand and remove organs at super speed. Shaw would be a statue, frozen similar to how he was when Magneto put a quarter through his brain.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
As fast as RF moves. I'd assume he could vibrate his hand and remove organs at super speed. Shaw would be a statue, frozen similar to how he was when Magneto put a quarter through his brain.

Yup

There's no evidence his speed would negate Shaws powers. If anything Magneto had to push the coin really slow while Xavier held him in place.

Originally posted by KingD19
There's no evidence his speed would negate Shaws powers. If anything Magneto had to push the coin really slow while Xavier held him in place.

Nope

Ok, even if we say for argument's sake that Shaw could absorb some of the energy from the vibrations (which is debatable IMO), it still won't actually stop Thawne's hand from going into his head. Being amped won't mean much when you have a fist in your brain. And again, even if that doesn't work, which it should, Shaw will never ever tag RF.

Ok let me rephrase. Shaw's power is to absorb kinetic energy. So if he absorbed Thawn's vibrations, technically speaking, Thawn would not be able to phase since he would stop moving right?

Or does Shaw not stop momentum? I don't recall fully

No, he would theoretically simply be sucking up the energy Thawne creates as a bi product from vibrating to the point of intangibility. So it would just do its normal thing of amping him up. If you hit him he will absord the energy but you won't suddenly freeze in place because of it.

Flash has pointed out a few times iirc that he and Wells powers generate kinetic energy and use it. So if he saps the energy from hi., he shouldn't be fast enough to keep vibrating.

Like how bullets just fell after hitting him.

Bullets have a finite amount of energy after being fired (a hell of a lot less than a speedster). The only way your plan would work is if Shaw literally managed to totally drain any power Thawne has in that split second he sticks his hand through his head, when we know that Thawne can vibrate himself for extended periods of time. Unless you are trying to claim that Shaw can actively suck the speed force from Thawne, in which case you have to prove he can, even though the speed force itself isn't directed at Shaw but at Thawne himself. The nuclear reactor didn't immediately shut down when Shaw started absorbing the energy it generated. It kept producing power which Shaw just kept sucking up. The energy is already generated, because of Thawne using his powers to vibrate himself, by the time Shaw absorbs it, so again, won't make a difference. Unless, like I said, you want to claim that Shaw can suck the speed force from Thawne, in which case you have to prove it.

Ok. I was under the impression Shaw could stop movement for some reason. If he can't he stands no chance

If he could, he would have been able to freeze people in place in the movie with nothing but a finger touch. His powers are simply absorbing various forms of energy directed at him, once it comes into contact with his body. He can then use this energy in various ways, like either projecting it, or using it to amp up his strength. The kinetic energy is already generated by Thawne, using the speed force to vibrate his atoms, by the time Shaw absorbs it, so it getting sucked up won't affect him directly. However, RF would eventually grow tired from the exertion. So, for example, if Reverse Flash stood in one spot and vibrated, but didn't go intangible, and Shaw stood there holding him while he did it, Shaw would get a massive amp over time, and RF would eventually exhaust himself, at which point Shaw would probably be strong enough to punch his head out of the vicinity. But RF literally only needs to keep enough juice to perform one head phase, and it is game over.

Reverse Flash at his peak time travels back and kills Shaw's mother before he is born.

Cue Terminator soundtrack.

Reverse Flash vibrates his hand into Shaw's pancreas.