Originally posted by Nemesis X
Somebody didn't watch the ending of the movie.
No, i guess you didn't watch the ending.
In the ending of the first one, Genie left with the carpet to see the world. In the Direct to video sequels The Return of Jafar, Genie comes back and tells Aladdin he's not as powerful as he once was. Genie claimed that Genie who is bound to a master is far more powerful than a Genie who is free. That's why Genie had trouble with certain foes in the tv show.
Now fast forward to the 40 thieves, Genie claims he's regained all his powers, and he's as powerful just like before.
So please, tell me what Whis, or anyone in the DBZ verse can do that would even make the Genie break a sweat.
The Genie is a cosmic being that breaks the 4th wall on a regular basis, so please tell me again what Whis can do to even fight against that.
This is a weird fight. Genie can't kill anyone(the closest he comes is turning people into bugs so they can be squashed) or really fight. Whis is stronger than a guy who threatened to destroy an entire universe and is the best fighter in the series at time of writing. Genie's ability to warp reality trumps any other magic in DB by a country mile but weirdly in DB sufficient ability can overcome even the limits of magical transformation(Vegeto as a jaw breaker).
Whis should win though because Genie is not a fighter and all you need to do to kill a Genie is break the lamp(not hard). Or be Sora, who is admittedly far above Whis.
Originally posted by AuraAngelLOL!!!! HOLY ****ING SHIT DUDE!!!
This is a weird fight. Genie can't kill anyone(the closest he comes is turning people into bugs so they can be squashed) or really fight. Whis is stronger than a guy who threatened to destroy an entire universe and is the best fighter in the series at time of writing. Genie's ability to warp reality trumps any other magic in DB by a country mile but weirdly in DB sufficient ability can overcome even the limits of magical transformation(Vegeto as a jaw breaker).Whis should win though because Genie is not a fighter and all you need to do to kill a Genie is break the lamp(not hard). Or be Sora, who is admittedly far above Whis.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
This is a weird fight. Genie can't kill anyone(the closest he comes is turning people into bugs so they can be squashed) or really fight. Whis is stronger than a guy who threatened to destroy an entire universe and is the best fighter in the series at time of writing. Genie's ability to warp reality trumps any other magic in DB by a country mile but weirdly in DB sufficient ability can overcome even the limits of magical transformation(Vegeto as a jaw breaker).Whis should win though because Genie is not a fighter and all you need to do to kill a Genie is break the lamp(not hard). Or be Sora, who is admittedly far above Whis.
Were are you getting this?
1st of all, Genie is bound by the 3 laws. He can't kill, can't make people fall in love, and can't resurrect the dead. Those 3 laws are only in effect when the Genie is bound to the Lamp.
Whis is not stronger than a guy that can break the 4th wall. Genie can turn into a giant that whirls the Earth on his fingers like a basketball. Turn himself into planets, and has only been seen to be hurt from other Genie like attacks.
Jafar after been turned into a Genie was creating planets by just moving his hands.
Again, Genie snaps his fingers and the whole DBZ is destroy.
Originally posted by SquallX
Were are you getting this?1st of all, Genie is bound by the 3 laws. He can't kill, can't make people fall in love, and can't resurrect the dead. Those 3 laws are only in effect when the Genie is bound to the Lamp.
Whis is not stronger than a guy that can break the 4th wall. Genie can turn into a giant that whirls the Earth on his fingers like a basketball. Turn himself into planets, and has only been seen to be hurt from other Genie like attacks.
Jafar after been turned into a Genie was creating planets by just moving his hands.
Again, Genie snaps his fingers and the whole DBZ is destroy.
That is an assumption on your part lol. Genie has never been shown doing any of those three things after his freedom. Moreover, even if he could kill someone it is not in Genie's nature to do so. Whis doesn't really seem to care either way.
Oh shit! The 4th Wall!? No one in Dragon Ball can do that!!!! Unless you're suggesting Whis is also weaker than that character, which is an interesting argument.
Every feat you're suggest pales in comparison to the destruction of the universe, which is what two people significantly weaker than Whis were about to do. Even lowballing the universe size it is still way more impressive than anything Genie has.
Keep in mind that if Genie were as powerful as you claim, there wouldn't be a plot. Sa'Luk's betrayal means nothing because Genie could, with a snap of his finger, resolve the entire plot. He's never done anything remotely universal and even if he had the power to destroy a universe, he wouldn't because Genie doesn't use his powers effectively.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
While I agree with some of that, Whis seems to operate on a different level then anyone else.Ftl space travel, time reversal, fighting without thinking.
Clearly he is a god and possibly one of the strongest in DB Universe.
What can the Genie do if he reverses time?
Like i've been saying, break the 4th wall.
Just because 1 character is call a God in verse, doesn't really mean shit. If were just trowing out titles, Genie would also be consider a God, and far more powerful than Whis.
Whis has nothing to go for him when it comes to fighting a toon force character.
Originally posted by SquallX
Like i've been saying, break the 4th wall.Just because 1 character is call a God in verse, doesn't really mean shit. If were just trowing out titles, Genie would also be consider a God, and far more powerful than Whis.
Whis has nothing to go for him when it comes to fighting a toon force character.
Why are you getting defensive? We are having a discussion.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
That is an assumption on your part lol. Genie has never been shown doing any of those three things after his freedom. Moreover, even if he could kill someone it is not in Genie's nature to do so. Whis doesn't really seem to care either way.Oh shit! The 4th Wall!? No one in Dragon Ball can do that!!!! Unless you're suggesting Whis is also weaker than that character, which is an interesting argument.
Every feat you're suggest pales in comparison to the destruction of the universe, which is what two people significantly weaker than Whis were about to do. Even lowballing the universe size it is still way more impressive than anything Genie has.
Keep in mind that if Genie were as powerful as you claim, there wouldn't be a plot. Sa'Luk's betrayal means nothing because Genie could, with a snap of his finger, resolve the entire plot. He's never done anything remotely universal and even if he had the power to destroy a universe, he wouldn't because Genie doesn't use his powers effectively.
Actually no, there not just assumptions. Jafar after turning into a Genie by Genie returned in the second movie. He almost killed Aladdin by squeezing the life out of him, the only reason he didn't succeed was because the Genie turned into Aladdin. That scene shows Jafar not to be ruled by those 3 laws. This is a vs fight. It's like me making a Dr King vs Gandhi death battle and claims there not gonna fight to the dead because they were pacifist in life.
Yes, breaking the 4th wall is a powerful ability. Especially if it's one of the characters to go abilities. You can be a universe destroyer for all i care, if i can break the wall, and uses anyway i want, am more powerful than you. Again, Genie is a toon force character that rips up his own head like i t was nothing.
Again, you have a serious character vs a toon force. You can destroy all the Universes you want, but if that character is protected by the power of toon force, he'll always wins. That's why character like Bug Bunny aren't put into Vs fights, we already no the ending.
You're last sentence makes no sense, because Genie doesn't go around snapping his fingers and makes everything better means he can't use his powers effectively now?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why are you getting defensive? We are having a discussion.
Am not been defensive, but this shit happens anytime there's a dbz thread. No matter how powerful the characters are, somehow they always lose because there against DBZ.
I can make a thread with Whis against a powerful Comic character, i can guarantee you, DBZ fans will claim he loses because.
If you think am lying, just say it and ill make the thread, and you'll see am right.
Originally posted by SquallX
Am not been defensive, but this shit happens anytime there's a dbz thread. No matter how powerful the characters are, somehow they always lose because there against DBZ.I can make a thread with Whis against a powerful Comic character, i can guarantee you, DBZ fans will claim he loses because.
If you think am lying, just say it and ill make the thread, and you'll see am right.
I agree with you on that, but I'm willing to have a rational discussion. Angel also brought up some good points.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I agree with you on that, but I'm willing to have a rational discussion. Angel also brought up some good points.
Didn't think i was coming off so strong, so my bad.
Angel's hasn't make any real defense though. 1 is a serious character, while the other is a toon force. In fiction, toon force always wins, unless there put up against a true Omnipotent being.
Originally posted by SquallX
Didn't think i was coming off so strong, so my bad.Angel's hasn't make any real defense though. 1 is a serious character, while the other is a toon force. In fiction, toon force always wins, unless there put up against a true Omnipotent being.
Leaving the toon force out, which is almost a no limits fallacy in itself in my opinion. Sometimes I think the toon force equals auto win. I've heard people say that the mask could take down Manhatten just because of toon force.
So without toon force, How do you think he fairs?
Also what do you consider genies biggest UN cuffed feat?
