Originally posted by Magnon
Actually, the narration next panel said that Juggernaut "struggled to maintain" his forward momentum. Meaning, that he still could, albeit with some effort. Thus:Juggernaut > All of Thor's energies = Godblast > Galactus > Odin = Mjolnir's enchantment.
==> Juggernaut wins.
Just because Odin is responsible for the mallet enchantment doesn't mean he is equal to it.
He couldn't lift it himself recently, right?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Without question the God blast >>>>>Odin's best blast. But in general Odin >>>>>Thor. Also you are equating energy blasts with physical strength (Odin trying to lift vs. Godblast).
Well, the Godblast from Thor was enough to stop Juggy. Push him back, even:http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsJuggernaut07.jpg
The Godblast is all of Thor's energies, concentrated in a blast.
Odin is >> Thor.
However, Odin was unable to even lift Mjolnir, despite focussing his might.
So Mjolnir wins.
And the enchantment is not Odin's direct power. It is a spell used (like Dr. Strange ), which is fueled by an outside source of power. Otherwise, Odin would have been able to lift Mjolnir.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
NArration said he was pushed backwards...?
It doesn't change the conclusion, though. Juggs did better vs. godblast than the likes of Galactus or Celestials.
Originally posted by wuleecat
Just because Odin is responsible for the mallet enchantment doesn't mean he is equal to it.He couldn't lift it himself recently, right?
My reply to DarkSaint85 was meant to outline the fault in his logic, where he concludes that Mjolnir > Odin >> Thor > Juggernaut thus Mjolnir wins. The fallacy lies in the fact that these "greater than" comparisons were made with respect to different qualities:
Mjolnir('unliftability'😉 > Odin(physical strength)
Odin(magical/overall might) > Thor(magical/overall might)
Thor+Mjolnir(sum total might, VERY briefly) > Juggernaut(unstoppability, when he's not putting full effort in it)
Logically, these partial orders do not imply that Mjolnir('unliftability'😉 > Juggernaut(unstoppability). Such a conclusion only results from ignoring the qualities which are used to make the comparisons, and the conclusion is thus invalid.
I demonstrated this in my post by constructing an equally valid chain of "greater than"'s, showing Juggernaut > Mjolnir.
Originally posted by h1a8
Without question the God blast >>>>>Odin's best blast. But in general Odin >>>>>Thor. Also you are equating energy blasts with physical strength (Odin trying to lift vs. Godblast).And the enchantment is not Odin's direct power. It is a spell used (like Dr. Strange ), which is fueled by an outside source of power. Otherwise, Odin would have been able to lift Mjolnir.
Lol, no the God Blast is not more powerful than Odins best.
Can you please stop making up shit and spreading lies? The enchantment is powered directly by the Odin Force. We have seen its creation on more than one occasion with Odin directly empowering the hammer with his power.
Where the hell did you even come up with the Dr. Strange comparison? Odin can use sorcery but unlike Strange he is his own power source. Where have you see him invoke other entities?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusOK, what single blast shown by Odin exceeds busting a Celestial dome (more durable than its outer armor)?
Lol, no the God Blast is not more powerful than Odins best.Can you please stop making up shit and spreading lies? The enchantment is powered directly by the Odin Force. We have seen its creation on more than one occasion with Odin directly empowering the hammer with his power.
Where the hell did you even come up with the Dr. Strange comparison? Odin can use sorcery but unlike Strange he is his own power source. Where have you see him invoke other entities?
OK if Mjolnir is powered directly by Odin then why couldn't he lift Mjolnir? It seems that the enchantment is a separate entity.
