Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nonetheless, it is useless to speculate about Vaylin's skills with a Lightsaber if they haven't been established yet. There is no reason to assume that Senya sucks with a Lightsaber or is not par with the likes of Darth Bane and Kas'im in these matters. Moreover, Vaylin might have been emotionally conflicted in her duel with Senya but she does not have this problem in this hypothetical confrontation.
Says it is useless to speculate; proceeds to speculate and make assumptions.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I said "rival".
Originally posted by Nephthys
I was backing up Q99's point that Bane would defeat her in lightsaber combat. Also this thread is a saber. force, all out thread. So my discussing their respective skills with a lightsaber is significant for one of the 3 sections of the fight. And is significant for the all out section.
We don't really know who will outduel whom in this case.
Yes, Darth Bane received formal training in Jedi dueling arts but effectiveness in a Lightsaber duel is not strictly dependent on technical skill. Otherwise, Lord Kas'im should have outdueled Darth Bane.
Vaylin and Senya had a [lengthy] duel and Vaylin was emotionally conflicted in this confrontation. I don't think that Vaylin's performance in this particular confrontation is representative of her true effectiveness in general. Otherwise, Lana Beniko (a well-trained Sith Lord) would have outdueled her earlier [in Chapter 3].
Valyin did assert (later on) that she will not spare her mother next time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Even if Vaylin attempts to switch to the Force, she has no feats that suggest she's fast enough and skilled enough to put distance between herself and Bane. Also Bane is easily rivalling her in TK. He can tank her Force attacks and continue to attack her in melee until she is overwhelmed.
As for Darth Bane tanking Vaylin's Force powers, you are overreaching. He have never met a Force-user of Valyin's caliber in life. Darth Zannah doesn't stacks up to Vaylin in sheer raw power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not speculating about Vaylin's lightsaber abilities. I'm saying that they're unestablished. We've seen some gameplay stuff from her but nothing to get a concrete grasp on her. However, unless someone has actually proven their ability, it is actually valid to assume they aren't on par with the likes of Bane and Kas'im who are two of the best duelists ever. Senya and Vaylin need to have something to their names before anyone can make the argument they can stack up with Bane and Kas'im. "Well maybe they are" isn't good enough.
I would say:-
Melee: No idea
Force: Vaylin
All-out: Vaylin (possibly)
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, utterly dwarfed. You clearly haven't seen my screenshots of the Temple of Ancients. It's far larger than the generator Vaylin rips parts out of. I can absolutely prove this if you want to go that route. Looking at the screenshot you posted only highlights how much smaller it is.
However, you may show me (your) photos. I would prefer a photo in which a human is present for scale. Otherwise, it is not possible to estimate the size of the Temple.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also the temple was noted to be unaffected by age or neglect, so that doesn't factor into anything. And the fact that the temple withstood a capital ships bombardment with minimal damage only suggests how immense tough it was. It doesn't detract from the feat. All of this completely supercedes the nexus advantage, even if it existed.
However, we know that forces of Revan bombarded the region. It is possible that Elders were targeted and eliminated during this time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Vaylin only ripped out one side of the structure. The majority of it still stood and it was in good enough condition for the Outlander to "repair" it enough to prevent a meltdown. It also took Vaylin some time to break the structure apart, several seconds.
Prevent a meltdown? The power core went bust, my friend. Its explosions killed thousands in the vicinity.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Regardless, Vaylin lacks the power to defeat Bane through her TK and she doesn't exactly have any feats suggesting she can safely block his lightning either. She would fail to overwhelm Bane with the Force and get cut down.
And this thread assumes a neutral setting.