Originally posted by Galan007duster
Are you really trying to play the "lets post the lowest possible showings we can scrounge up" game?
But seriously, let's look at this a little more critically.
GLs were totally ineffective at hurting Krona before the Buster. Is that because Krona has some insane abstract level durability? No, it's because the rings are programmed to "programmed to be unable to kill a guardian"
GL #62 - Atrocitus hurts Krona with both ring vomit and teeth.
GL #63-66 - Nobody attempts to hurt Krona
GL #67 - Krona is attacked 3 times. Ganthet goes after him, but we never see Ganthet actually attack. Sinestro without a ring gets the punch in that I already posted, and then Hal overcomes the ring's limitation on harming a Guardian.
So, I don't think I'm so out of line suggesting that Krona's durability wasn't that special
Originally posted by Galan007
I think his point(and it is valid to an extent) is that under the same writer, one of Hal's 'standard' blasts appeared to pierce through Prime's hide... And the Krona-buster was many orders of magnitude greater, obviously.Not saying I agree, but it is something to think about I suppose...
He doesn't have a prayer at enduring the blast, imo.
Abhi isn't wrong. But saying the same writer wrote both guys does as much to hurt his case, when you look at his overall body of work.
For example, he had Hal Jordan break loose from construct restraints.created by those cyborg peacekeepers.
He did this WITH A DEPLETED RING.
Or, there's the fact Hal was holding his own with Sinestrolax, who normally is more then a match for Hal without an amp. (Not to mention, Sin beat that white light using Quadrion guy after he wiped the floor with Ganthet, Kyle, John Stewart, Sodam Yat..)
And are we supposed to accept Hal's "standard" blast is so much stronger then "Ion" Sodam Yat's best shots, both in Sinestro War and Legion of 3 Worlds?
All done by the same guy, and it doesn't add up. You might say, it almost makes Hal look like a "pet character", or dare I say it, a "Gary Stu".
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sodam Yat was shit, though.
Yes, he totally was. 😘
That's kind of my point, though. John's had Hal look more impressive in that one moment then he let Yat look during his whole time as Ion.
Or hell, forget about Ion. Hal looked better then the Guardians AND Anti Monitor (Who ironically failed to kill Yat BEFORE he got the Ion entity..)
Originally posted by cdtmRegular Yat looked better than Ion Yat.
Yes, he totally was. 😘That's kind of my point, though. John's had Hal look more impressive in that one moment then he let Yat look during his whole time as Ion.
Or hell, forget about Ion. Hal looked better then the Guardians AND Anti Monitor (Who ironically failed to kill Yat BEFORE he got the Ion entity..)
Originally posted by Cogito
dusterBut seriously, let's look at this a little more critically.
GLs were totally ineffective at hurting Krona before the Buster. Is that because Krona has some insane abstract level durability? No, it's because the rings are programmed to "programmed to be unable to kill a guardian"
GL #62 - Atrocitus hurts Krona with both ring vomit and teeth.GL #63-66 - Nobody attempts to hurt Krona
GL #67 - Krona is attacked 3 times. Ganthet goes after him, but we never see Ganthet actually attack. Sinestro without a ring gets the punch in that I already posted, and then Hal overcomes the ring's limitation on harming a Guardian.
So, I don't think I'm so out of line suggesting that Krona's durability wasn't that special
Here he flat out tanks a combined suckershot by several Lanterns including Larfleeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7J5TE3P4kTs/VgVW3M-Y7cI/AAAAAAAQcbY/5KdLpfDVIyY/s1600/60_13.jpg
That's even without any of the entities. Later he casually stomped them as well.
Saying Atrocitus hurt him or Sinestro hurt him without ring to lowball him?
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Originally posted by cdtm
Abhi isn't wrong. But saying the same writer wrote both guys does as much to hurt his case, when you look at his overall body of work.For example, he had Hal Jordan break loose from construct restraints.created by those cyborg peacekeepers.
He did this WITH A DEPLETED RING.
Or, there's the fact Hal was holding his own with Sinestrolax, who normally is more then a match for Hal without an amp. (Not to mention, Sin beat that white light using Quadrion guy after he wiped the floor with Ganthet, Kyle, John Stewart, Sodam Yat..)
And are we supposed to accept Hal's "standard" blast is so much stronger then "Ion" Sodam Yat's best shots, both in Sinestro War and Legion of 3 Worlds?
All done by the same guy, and it doesn't add up. You might say, it almost makes Hal look like a "pet character", or dare I say it, a "Gary Stu".
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is flat lowballing at its finest.Here he flat out tanks a combined suckershot by several Lanterns including Larfleeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7J5TE3P4kTs/VgVW3M-Y7cI/AAAAAAAQcbY/5KdLpfDVIyY/s1600/60_13.jpg
That's even without any of the entities. Later he casually stomped them as well.
Saying Atrocitus hurt him or Sinestro hurt him without ring to lowball him?
😂
Show me more to support your case, because right now I'm outnumbering you, and providing them at a more relevant time in regards to Hal's feat
And don't get into Krona stomping people. I said he was powerful but with questionable durability.
Originally posted by Cogito
Show me more to support your case, because right now I'm outnumbering you, and providing them at a more relevant time in regards to Hal's featAnd don't get into Krona stomping people. I said he was powerful but with questionable durability.
Carver logic at its finest.
How is his durability questionable?
Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean you showed Atrocitus hurting Krona and Sinestro punching him?Carver logic at its finest.
How is his durability questionable?
Having high offensive power does not automatically translate into high durability.
I've shown twice as many "low" feats as you have semi-high (not even that impressive). So show me more, because right now yours is looking more like the outlier 😬
Originally posted by Cogito
Having high offensive power does not automatically translate into high durability.I've shown twice as many "low" feats as you have semi-high (not even that impressive). So show me more, because right now yours is looking more like the outlier 😬
We already saw Krona on his own tanking attacks from several Elite Lanterns like nothing. Larfleeze alone shits on any Herald.
To think all the entities didn't even increase his durability? Laughable. You're just looking for excuses at this point.
And you showed him getting hurt by Atrocitus. The same breath hurt Spectre too.
And getting punched by Sinestro isn't a low feat. He wasn't hurt in the least there.
Where would you put his durability? Human level, right? Sinestro hurt him with a punch of course.
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Originally posted by abhilegendThere's more to that scene, which makes it even more uber:
This is flat lowballing at its finest.Here he flat out tanks a combined suckershot by several Lanterns including Larfleeze.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7J5TE3P4kTs/VgVW3M-Y7cI/AAAAAAAQcbY/5KdLpfDVIyY/s1600/60_13.jpg
That's even without any of the entities. Later he casually stomped them as well.
Saying Atrocitus hurt him or Sinestro hurt him without ring to lowball him?
😂
Nothing they did caused any damage to Krona.
Originally posted by abhilegend
No, high level durability means high level durability.We already saw Krona on his own tanking attacks from several Elite Lanterns like nothing. Larfleeze alone shits on any Herald.
To think all the entities didn't even increase his durability? Laughable. You're just looking for excuses at this point.
And you showed him getting hurt by Atrocitus. The same breath hurt Spectre too.
And getting punched by Sinestro isn't a low feat. He wasn't hurt in the least there.
Where would you put his durability? Human level, right? Sinestro hurt him with a punch of course.
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It's absolutely lowballing, but I'm playing devil's advocate here. I've yet to see anything that points to Hal's blast being Galactus-killing level, except ridiculous hype and supposition.
Would Galactus even register Atrocitus or ringless Sinestro? Phuck no.
Taking hits from the Lanterns you showed is a trans level durability feat. Nothing more. And while you and others say that having the entities must bump Krona up several tiers durability-wise, the reality is that his on-panel durability goes down. So no, get this "Galactus level" shit out of here. It's trans, maybe low Skyfather. Power =/= durability.
Originally posted by Galan007
There's more to that scene, which makes it even more uber:Nothing they did caused any damage to Krona.
Originally posted by Cogito
It's absolutely lowballing, but I'm playing devil's advocate here. I've yet to see anything that points to Hal's blast being Galactus-killing level, except ridiculous hype and supposition.Would Galactus even register Atrocitus or ringless Sinestro? Phuck no.
Taking hits from the Lanterns you showed is a trans level durability feat. Nothing more. And while you and others say that having the entities must bump Krona up several tiers durability-wise, the reality is that his on-panel durability goes down. So no, get this "Galactus level" shit out of here. It's trans, maybe low Skyfather. Power =/= durability.
You're not doing anything here but straight up lowballing. The entities didn't increase his durability because Sinestro punched him without effect?
This is such an ass backward logic. Throughout the green lantern run by Johns its shown how even Ion or Parallax or Butcher can give you power enough to tussle with Spectre.
Ganthet with just Parallax was shrugging off Hal, Kyle, John, Guy and Killowog simultaneously.
Krona had all the entities at once. To think he was anywhere in trans level? ****ing stupid.
