Valkorion vs. Abeloth

Started by S_W_LeGenD3 pages

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Abeloth trashes and Yoda stomps. Valkorion couldn't even defend himself from his own son's blade, let alone Yoda's 😮‍💨

Valkorion developed the capability to block lightsaber strikes with a special shielding technique.

Entity!Vitiate, post-Ziost, should honestly be above any other mortal, beyond the reach of Force Sensitives at all, but he isn't still the real "Force Entity" like The Ones, Abeloth, Priestesses etc. He is perfectly between Force Sensitives and "entities". So he basically looses, but I doubt it will be a stomp. It's beyond Abeloth to stomp a guy like Luke.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion developed the capability to block lightsaber strikes with a special shielding technique.

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Legend spamming irrelevant points and avoiding answering who wins.

Abeloth might overwhelm a vessel of Valkorion [1 on 1] but how she will stop him in disembodied form? Nothing implies that she can destroy such things.

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You do realize that Abeloth pretty much eats souls, right?

Originally posted by ares834
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You do realize that Abeloth pretty much eats souls, right?


She may prevent a Force-user from becoming a Force ghost and/or enslave one but she have never destroyed an actual Force ghost. This is due to the fact that Force ghosts do not have strength of their own; they draw energy from Force-sensitivity of living beings to manifest around them and influence the external environment.

B/W Valkorion is more then a mere Force ghost and far more powerful in comparison to one. He siphoned energy of many Force ghosts as well.

What are you going on about? She eats souls so that they become part of her. She doesn't merely prevent them from becoming part of the force...

Valkorion is a tasty snack that also serves to further Abeloth's knowledge of the dark side. Yum.

Originally posted by ares834
What are you going on about? She eats souls so that they become part of her. She doesn't merely prevent them from becoming part of the force...

Valkorion is a tasty snack that also serves to further Abeloth's knowledge of the dark side. Yum.

It's no disrespect to say that Abeloth utterly destroys The Emperor.

I don't see someone who defeated the Son and the Daughter losing to anyone solo bar the Farther and Mortikin.

Imagine if Abeloth managed to take Anakin Skywalker as an avatar body...

Originally posted by ares834
What are you going on about? She eats souls so that they become part of her. She doesn't merely prevent them from becoming part of the force...

Valkorion is a tasty snack that also serves to further Abeloth's knowledge of the dark side. Yum.


Then why she failed to consume Callista Mings's spirit?

Valkorion isn't helpless like a standard Force ghost, he is a world-buster and matches some of the greatest feats of Abeloth.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then why she failed to consume Callista Mings's spirit?

Valkorion isn't helpless like a standard Force ghost, he is a world-buster.

She didn't fail. She ate her.

Originally posted by ares834
She didn't fail. She ate her.

She consumed Callista Ming, not her spirit.

Ming's spirit reached out to Luke Skywalker for assistance and she got it; Abeloth suffered a setback from this development.

Now keep in mind that a spirit does not have immense raw power of its own.

Keep in mind, Valkorion doesn't have a Luke Skywalker either.

He has Revan the Undying, though. 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
She consumed Callista Ming, not her spirit.

Ming's spirit reached out to Luke Skywalker for assistance and she got it; Abeloth suffered a setback from this development.

Now keep in mind that a spirit does not have immense raw power of its own.

Nope. Ming's soul was eaten by Abeloth as well. Like I said, it became a part of Abeloth's own and one that she can tap into when she wants.

Originally posted by ares834
Nope. Ming's soul was eaten by Abeloth as well. Like I said, it became a part of Abeloth's own and one that she can tap into when she wants.

Then how Ming's spirit reached out to Luke Skywalker for assistance?

This is how a spirit manifests:

"I cannot help you," Aidan sighed. "I lost my power long ago, when I failed to defeat Vader. I am no longer a Jedi."

"But you were able to touch me. You shoved me through a doorway!" Tash cried.

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"I was able to touch you because we are connected by the Force. I drew on your link with the Force to become more solid, just as I draw on it now to become visible to you. But that's all I can do. I tried to be a hero once, Tash, and I failed." (Galaxy of Fear: Ghost of a Jedi)

Because Abeloth was trying to use Ming's soul (which at this point is a part of her!) to tempt Luke.