Darth Bane's Power

Started by S_W_LeGenD4 pages

Every character is underestimated by some in certain aspects.

Yes, some ridiculously underestimate Darth Bane [in general].

Zamp, I understand that your post here may simply be the product of your rejuvenated alliance/bromance with Neph, but I am compelled to ask about the importance of feats.

For example, if we were to evaluate characters strictly by a comparison of upper end feats, wouldn't Darth Sidious be a vastly superior sorcerer than Kreia?

Is he not?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Is he not?

Kreia isn't known as a Sorceress. Her neutral force alignment in the game is never explained, although it is hinted at being a similar technique to the Sith Assassins. Dave used to make an argument about Kreia's knowledge based on the implied access to the Malachor Depths Library of holocrons, but I was never convinced by that.

I believe (but am not 100% sure) we were arguing about relative powers of foresight? And there, Kreia has a further time horizon with greater resolution of detail than any prophecy of Sidious (that I'm aware of). And before you attack that feat with the Malachor nexus, you'd also have to call Onderon, Telos, Nar Shadaa and Peragus Dark Side nexuses (because there are fine corrections to her Xanatos gambit throughout the game).

Edit: Quotes and narration are given context by feats. The many accolades for the Jedi Strike team (\Mace) are a little difficult to take seriously given their shellacking, for example. And nobody remembers Drallig despite the various accolades he's got...

And before you attack that feat with the Malachor nexus, you'd also have to call Onderon, Telos, Nar Shadaa and Peragus Dark Side nexuses (because there are fine corrections to her Xanatos gambit throughout the game).

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What visions of the future does Kreia have off-nexus that > Sidious?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What visions of the future does Kreia have off-nexus that > Sidious?

Off the top of my head, she shuts down Mandalore pretty hard on Duxun, iirc

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What visions of the future does Kreia have off-nexus that > Sidious?

She told me you'd ask that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
She told me you'd ask that.

@Zamp, I know what you're referring to. However the issue is we can't be sure she had that vision in that moment (which seems unlikely) or was recalling a vision she had had in the past, on Malachor.

Kreia says she "Many things do I see here, from the heart of Malachor." - implying she has seen things in the past, and among the visions she goes on to tell the Exile is the future of the Mandalorians, implying she got in from there.

And pretty much all of her most impressive foresight feats come from that scene, implication being that she is how she can see so far into the future.

That said the visions she has e.g. the fall of the Mandalorians, death of Jango Fett, rise of the Galactic Empire, Great Galactic War etc. are pretty fantastically unprecedented, even if on a nexus, so there is grounds for saying she has better precog than Palpy. mmm

Precog's more like seeing a few moves into the future and being able to react accordingly

Clairvoyance on the other hand is something like reading the ending of a book before you even read the rest of it

I generally treat them as separate powers, so not sure you can compare her precog by using clairvoyance as a gauge :hmm

Suppose it depends on how you guys handle prescience feats in general though

Z., we were just discussing feats here, not precognition, and I'll cite Beni's posts.

I'm just asking if Bane's "speed feat" is indicative of enormous power or standing, especially relative to other greats. Because that seems to imply that feats indicate standing.

Palpatine's feats vastly outstrip Kreia's. So does that in turn mean Palpatine vastly outstrips Kreia?

I doubt anyone questions Palpatines immense superiority to Kreia, brosky.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I doubt anyone questions Palpatines immense superiority to Kreia, brosky.

Well I agree that no one should, but I suspect they do. And I suspect these heretics walk among us, even now.

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Her neutral force alignment in the game is never explained, although it is hinted at being a similar technique to the Sith Assassins.

I don't understand this quote. Kreia's alignment is Neutral because she's Neutral. What makes you think it's a technique or ability?

Back on topic, I'd place Bane's power on FE Malgus tier. I would also say Bane's skill is about Ventress tier.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
I don't understand this quote. Kreia's alignment is Neutral because she's Neutral. What makes you think it's a technique or ability?
Pretty sure Kreia was DS but just masking her presence. mmm

Originally posted by AncientPower
Back on topic, I'd place Bane's power on FE Malgus tier. I would also say Bane's skill is about Ventress tier.

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