CARVER vs SCOOBLESS (Mid-herald tournament)

carver9 wrote on Nov 1st, 2015 01:31 PM:
Ok; first I want to start this off by saying I think my character is Scoobs kryptonite. I will explain why throughout my post but overall, this is a bad match-up for him. Not only do I have a humongous speed advantage, all of my defenses and offenses are built to take him out.

Lets get this show on the road.

Wonder Woman is by far one of the fastest Heralds in comics.

Heres an example. Wonder Woman is so fast that her speed allows her to go invisible right in front of Supes. To the point that he was unable to track her. Unable to see her while she was moving around at Super speed.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3051005
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3051006

She was even able to enter the speed force under her own power.

http://imgur.com/a/jS1uF

Manhunter tells us that WW is as fast as the Flashes (which is quite true. The lady has raced alongside Flash and blitzed Zoom) while casually disappearing from her site.

http://imgur.com/a/DW9qW

Mercury is even impressed by her speed.

http://i.imgur.com/R5cHkY0.jpg

Hell, she even compares her speed to Amazo who had the entirety of the JLA powers, including Superman and Diana speed (he's faster than CLARK... AS FAST AS ME).

http://i.imgur.com/cwVldu1.jpg

Her reflexes are uncanny. Here she deflect trillions of stars that was coming from each side of the universe.

http://imgur.com/a/5dOoi

Lets discuss her bracers. There is a main reason I want to talk about this. I feel that Scoobs plan on wrapping this fight up with the scream because black bolts strength is nothing WW hasn't tanked before (the girl withstood hits from Superman and Amazo), his scream is the ace. I admit, his scream would probably do some damage if he were to get it in, BUT, he wont. Let me explain why. Her bracers stops an attack that shook the entire planet.

http://imgur.com/a/DvB6U

Not only that, she had to SPEED past the blast as well. Her Bracer absorbed said impact. Shook the entire planet from the SHOCKWAVES of said attack. Whats BB best showing with his scream. Especially as of late when we have the Fantastic Four withstand his scream and Namor being ok afterwards from a head on scream point blank range.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-4492404
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-4492405

Not only will I block that hit but if I'm hit by it, its not a most def that it'll drop me. The scream is inconsistent as hell.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2177812
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2177813

Enough about her speed and durability. We know she is fast as hell, we know she is almost a peer to Superman in strength. One of the fastest when it comes to blitzing, it will be no issues for someone like her. I have a HUGE speed advantage here along with the defenses to block any of his attacks and the durability to withstand them as well.

Lets move on to Doom. Doom is, how can I say it? DOOM. Anyone that he faces are usually DOOMED during the onset of the battle. He has a plan for everything. An ability for anything and an out for any situation in fight. He's always prepared. Let me show you what I mean by prepared. One of the people that Scoobs is using is Magneto. Doom already have a built in device in his suit to deal with someone like Mags which pretty much makes Magneto irrelevant in this fight.

http://i.imgur.com/zFVom1t.jpg

And when it comes to the durability of Doom shield. It has withstood an attack from the Infinity Gauntlet.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Stats/DoomForcefields09IG5.jpg.html

Not a one time showing of said durability either. Here it temporarily last against Celestials.

http://i.imgur.com/HflKrJl.jpg

His force Field makes him impervious to Magneto attacks. That throws Magneto out of the window. His only option is to throw metal at me, but, sad to say, that isn't even on the battefield and if it were, who's to say it would work due to my own personal shield, speed, and strength. Back on topic. I have a defense for Magneto powers. Its to cancel out his abilities. I have a defense for Black Bolt and its my bracers along with my own personal shield and unique durability.

I'm going to start this off short and sweet. I know how Scoobs is going to start his battle off because you know, we were give enough time to ONLY put up a shield. Nothing more, nothing less. Scoobs gets 10 seconds to put up his shield and I am allowed to do the same. Click, shields are up. 10 seconds has passed. As soon as the bell ring (remember, I'm already impervious to Magneto attacks) I blitz during the onset of the battle. Scoobs is probably still standing there, frozen. I'm as fast as a Flash (not entirely but I am fast enough to contend with them). So a second to Scoobs is nothing to me.

I blitz... my first move is to try to remove Scoobs force field as fast as I could before he got the chance to get a move off. The starting distance between us is NOTHING compared to a Woman that is claimed to be as fast as Superman himself. A woman that is as fast as Flash. A woman that has outright blitzed the man of steel. Reacted to Superman while flying to the sun in a minute. So again, I try to remove the Force Field at super speed before he can react. I move so fast that a second is nothing to me and first I attack his shields with a magical spell at super speed. Magneto shields is irrelevant to me because for one its week against Magic (thanks for the scan Scoobs).

http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/Scoobless/media/Magnetos%20shields1.jpg.html

Wait, let me guess, you think Wanda magic could potentially be above Dooms? Hell naw. Strange tells us that Doom has learned things that he doesn't even know.

http://i.imgur.com/5CgdCbJ.jpg

Hell, Strange along with a team had to flee from Doom (while finding out that Doom armor has the ability to adapt to certain situations.

So, I attack the shields with Magic which is something that Scoobs shields isn't immune too. I then add a mixture of shield nullifying.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor04-FieldNullifierMolecular.jpg.html

Not a one time deal either. Doom has used this same ability to cancel out Sue shield as well.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor34-ForcefieldCounter259.jpg.html

Once I'm past any shielding that Scoobs has put up, I will then drain his power dry. Take all of it away from him. I do all of this in the blink of an eye while speed blitzing BEHIND him. Let me guess. You need examples of Dooms draining abilities. Here, I drain Franklin of his power.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor44-PersonalAdaptersHeroesR.jpg.html

Here he easily drains the power cosmic from a Hulk Robot that had some of Galactus energy stored into it.

http://i.imgur.com/PXPvYhB.jpg

Here he convert Nightmare into energy and absorbs him.

http://i.imgur.com/ocPPDQi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/IY8aolR.jpg

This is the onset of my attack. Happens in a second. This shouldn't be debatable since again, WW speed has been showcased throughout her history. She is one of the fastest Heralds. Great at multitasking and has the potential to do exactly what I said. Lets say if the shield absorbed Scoobs turns around to get a scream off. It will not work. Wonder Woman speed isn't a thought process, its a self aware reaction. Her reflexes has its own thought. This has been based entirely off of her training. I WILL have enough time to put my bracers up to block said attack.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-4003198

Once blocked, I will blitz behind scoobs and continue my draining process. Once he is drained (which should take second due to me draining far more powerful characters than Scoobs)... I will thump him across the forehead koing him.

Scoobless wrote on Nov 2nd, 2015 12:48 PM:
Scoobless' team = Black Bolt / Magneto / The Atom

Vs

Carver's team = Dr Doom / Wonder Woman

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I'm using three fairly well known characters, hopefully that means I won't have to dump too many scans to prove stuff (don't you feel like tourneys have got too reliant on scans these days?)

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Prep: Raise Magneto's shield

Battle starts:
[list=1]
[*]Shrink/cloak
[*]Approach target while tiny and undetectable
[*]Bypass any shielding by being too small or via magnetic field/electron manipulation
[*]Enter target
[*]Disrupt blood flow via magnetically halting all iron, thereby cutting off oxygen to target's brain
[*]Make way to target's brain
[*]Set off EMP to wipe target's mind clean
[*]Shout at brain to destroy target's head
[*]Celebrate
[/list]

My opponent will probably use magic (he has no other recourse - his strength is useless and his tech is easily manipulated) He will have to prove he can locate and target cloaked subatomic beings moving pretty darn fast.

If any single part of my plan fails for some reason, other parts can compensate.

Remember, my opponent is clad in metal whether it be armour or bracelet or tiara, all are now mine to play with, as are the iron particals in his/her body and the electromagnetic fields within his/her brain.

I guess Scoobs is done. I will post my part tonight.

Post 1...

Scoobs states that I need to prove that I can get past him shrinking, etc, etc...

Scoobs fail to realize that my speed is much greater than his, my thought process is faster, I, CARVER9 have the advantage here. I can get to him before he's able to gain a thought process of shrinking, or doing whatever else he plans on doing. Scoob has to remember, Black Bolt AND Magneto powers are irrelevant here. My own personal shield negates Magneto power and my bracers and speed counters everything Scoobs could potentially throw at me with BB. Let me go more in depth with the speed advantage that I have here.

Diana has moved so fast that she was not only able to blitz AMAZO before he could react, she tied him up before he got the chance to move.

http://i.imgur.com/4uZO9VL.jpg

Wonder Woman blitz Pyramid and takes her out of orbit before anyone realized what happened. Hell, Flash didn't even see where Pyramid went along Martian Manhunter and other JLA'ers.

http://imgur.com/a/AcjEr

This is speed. If we need an example of how fast a White Martian can be, then I think this is a good example of that.

http://imgur.com/a/4lrc7 .... Was able to keep pace with Flash. Hell, at one point had an advantage.

Lets move on to reflexes since I did say I would be multitasking during the onset of my blitz because again, the distance between Scoobs and myself is nothing to me. I will cover that distance in no time. Hell, it took her to grab a Martian and carry her in space in almost an instant. To the point that some of the fastest speedsters didn't see her blitz off. So, now we are on reflexes. Wonder Woman beats this dude a** faster than thought (Scoobs thought). Faster than a heart beat. He is gone.

http://i.imgur.com/AikpUTv.jpg

I know, I know, pretty vague. Well, we do have the shattergod ft.

http://imgur.com/a/5dOoi

I know, I guess you're tired of looking at that showing as well. Well, Wonder Woman casually deflect these beams...

http://i.imgur.com/Wa9OIrw.jpg

How fast are these beams? They were made of LIGHT.

http://i.imgur.com/fqPHjsG.jpg

Here we have Wonder Woman intercepting heating vision and blocking all of them casually and this was being shot by Amazo (who had Superman and Wonder Woman super speed during the time... he didn't have her self aware reflexes though).

http://imgur.com/a/Gs9Od

I'm not going to clog up this thread proving Wonder Woman is elite fast. Everyone should know this. Scoobs failed to counter my argument because for 1, he is too slow to react. Proof that he is too slow to react.

Ikaris, who is leagues slower than Wonder Woman, someone who only broke the sound barrier here was able to blitz BB (Scoobs fastest character).

Not only does he start off with a blitz, he had enough time to blitz behind black bolt (my tactic) and grab him. Scoobs will not react to my attack until it is done.

I could be missing something but what speed fts does any of Scoobs character have? Magneto grabbed Northstar but its obvious Northstar wasn't moving anywhere near his prime AND NS doesn't go anywhere close to light due to his durability. Plus, the showing doesn't go along with Magneto history like getting blitzed by his son (who is much slower than WW, especially during that time) along with other showings contradicting that one speed ft. Scoobs will be my pet during this fight and I dont see how he could counter the start of my attack...blitz, get rid of his shield with magic and a shield disrupter and draining him dry. He will be helpless to this attack unless he can show me something proving he can keep up with someone like me.

Show me some proof Scoobles. Show me that you can hang with me going full notch with my speed and agility/reflexes. How would you make Magneto relevant in this fight when I have special shields that counters your power? Hell, I can turn your power against you...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor27-MagneticPolaritySVTU14.jpg.html

Your only hope is Atom but he isn't good enough. If, IF by some miracle you went tiny, all I have to do is move away from you at super speed and cloak myself...

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2949972

Was able to even hide from Wolverine senses.

Once I cloak myself I will start to summon. Summon Monsters that were able to take out the Avengers.

http://i.imgur.com/pWj7Luk.jpg

Summoning Mindless Ones.

http://i.imgur.com/lwLVRzF.jpg

Hell, why not add some Doombots into the mix as well.

I cant summon a dimension but I can summon enough to confuse you. Not like you can speed around until you find me. While I am in this state, I will then start scanning for you while you're busy tussling through the beings I conjured (that is destroying the area around you).

I have a guidance system that could probably guide me to his location.

http://i.imgur.com/v7PM0EB.jpg

Or

I could use my micro computer/infrared system to analyze the area as well. He will be located and to my knowledge Scoobs, you can not shrink to other dimensions or too small to not be seen. Once I find you, I can continue my assault with random blasts, punches, etc... remember, you have no shield, you have a scream but its irrelevant since you are the size of an ant. You will probably take to the sky since I've summoned numerous of monsters to take you out on the ground which again would make you my victim. You either stay on the ground while I hover above you trying to locate you (while moving at super speed) or you take to the sky giving me a better chance at locating my victim. Your choice my friend.

http://i.imgur.com/V1xxMMg.jpg

BUT, Scoobs probably doesn't have the energy to do any of this since I did start my initial attack off absorbing his power.

post #1

Black Bolt / Magneto / The Atom
No-Homo Superior

Vs

Vunder Von Dooman

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Before I proceed to dismantle Carv, here's a couple of scans to back up my opening (cos I know judges are supposed to leave knowledge and bias at the door)

Here Ray shrunk in response to a small atomic explosion (good reaction feat too I guess)

Here's my cloak (which I'm sure you've all seen before:

The blood flow thing I mentioned:

And

As for Black Bolt, here's what a mere whisper can do:[list=1]
[*]One whisper
[*]is all it takes
[*]to level the Avengers
[*]and completely screw up Iron Man's armour
[/list]

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Ok, Carv has focused on speed, and I'll freely admit that Wonder Woman is faster than any one of my drafts, which is a cool/decisive thing to have as an advantage most of the time... just not this time.

The fact is simply this - There is no way Vunder Von Dooman can locate, traverse the distance, break through Magneto's shielding and KO Black Bolt's toughness before my Atom powers shrink me out of the way of a fistfight.

Tony Stark, with Armour comparable to Doom (if not better with his bleeding edge tech) could never power through Magneto's shields and is rightly scared of being hit with an EMP, as Doom should be too:

This match was never going to be about brawling, which negates virtually all of Wonder Woman's usefulness in Carv's amalgam.

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So.... I'm smaller than an atom within moments of the match starting:

Looking back to my ultra-concise OP plan...

[list=1]
[*]Shrink/cloak
[*]Approach target while tiny and undetectable
[*]Bypass any shielding by being too small or via magnetic field/electron manipulation
[*]Enter target
[*]Disrupt blood flow via magnetically halting all iron, thereby cutting off oxygen to target's brain
[*]Make way to target's brain
[*]Set off EMP to wipe target's mind clean
[*]Shout at brain to destroy target's head
[*]Celebrate[/list]

...nothing Carv has posted has defended against any of it. One random scan of a 40 year old comic where Doom turns a single energy blast back at Magneto is not proof of immunity to all magnetism, if Tony can't do it as recently as AVX when he went in fully prepped, I doubt (highly doubt) Doom would be prepared for a random encounter. Even IF he somehow was prepped, Black Bolt's Quasi-sonic scream would screw his armour systems to the point of uselessness anyway.

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My No-Homo amalgam will enter yours and explode with power (things just got weird, right?)

Seriously... Sub atomic sized AND shielded from detection. There's just no way Vunder Dooman is ever going to detect No-Homo before penetration is achieved ... I mean, before me an my helmet are inside you...no, how about I enter through your open orrifaces ... dammit, is there a non dirty way to describe what the Atom does on a regular basis?

Ironman doesn't = Dr. Doom, and Mag's victories against Tony are actually an indication of that fact. His powers don't work through Doom's forcefield, this has been demonstrated multiple times...

Super-Villain Team-Up #14:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor27-MagneticPolaritySVTU14.jpg

X-Men Annual 1998 #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor41-MagneticPolarityXmenAnn.jpg

Whether or not he can affect Ironman is irrelevant because Doom's forcefield has a winning trackrecord against Mag's powers so ABC logic doesn't work here.

As for shrinking, even if people bought that he could shrink before someone with WW's speed and that the sensors in Doom's armor couldn't detect Scoob's guy, shrinking actually REDUCES his offensive power. Smaller body=smaller lungs=smaller voice=Less powerful scream from Blackbolt. Not only that, if Scoobs has Mag's forcefield up it means he's gotta blast through his own forcefield in addition to blasting through Dooms and if he blast through his own forcefield or takes it down to scream, it means he'll basically give away his general location and open him up to something like a blast of Tranquilizer Gas...

Sleeping Gas emitted from his gloves subdues the FF in Fantastic Four #196:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor28-SleepingGas196.jpg

The Sleeping Gas works so quickly, Mr. Fantastic can't even compensate for it, from Fantastic Four #198:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor29-SleepingGas198.jpg

Sleeping Gas from his gloves puts Banner to sleep, from Incredible Hulk #143:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor07-SleepingGasHulk143.jpg

So to sum up, Mag's offensive powers=worthless his defensive powers=vulnerable to Doom's magical blasts, Blackbolt's powers= reduced, Atom's powers=annoying at best. Wonder Doom has speed, strength, skill, intelligence, versitility, and a variety of tactics to bring down Scoob's even if he somehow deals with the initial speedblitz.

post #2

Black Bolt / Magneto / The Atom
No-Homo Superior

Vs

Vunder Von Dooman

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Alright, Carv seems to be laying his entire plan on a KO before I use the Atom's power to shrink myself. Let's go through the steps:

Enter battlefield - Scan area (possible radius of what? ... 5 miles?) - Locate No-Homo - cover the distance to No-Homo - KO No-Homo

And this would all have to be completed in an instant to catch someone who can shrink to avoid a blast wave after a small atomic explosion occured. Seriously, he'd have to do all that in less than one second because my steps are much simpler

Enter battlefield - shrink

No-Homo is already starting to shrink as Carv's creation is just starting to search for him. Which plan do you believe is most likely to be executed first? (mine, right?... right?!?)

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Now that that is out of the way, the rest of Carv's argument is moot. Gas attack? I already posted a scan of Atom being smaller than the atoms that make up a gas, it couldn't possibly work. He focused instead on me using BB's scream attack as my big play, and it is a good one, but it's just plan B for now. I've clearly stated I will be using a shrink/enter body tactic and Carver has yet to post a single counter to that.

Post #3

Love ya Scoobs and yes homo but I dont think you know how fast the speed of light is. Let me explain. The speed of light can circle Earth SEVEN times in one second. Do you think a couple of miles between us is of any significance here (Scoobs fastest character couldn't even defend himself against a guy who broke the sound barrier)? I go almost TWICE the speed of light (I go much faster but per the rules, I cant hit TWICE the speed but I'm guessing I can go 1.9 the speed of light).

I can circle the world 3 times and have enough time to still perform my attack on you. No way around this Scoobs, you will NOT get off a thought, you will be like a statue to me until I am done.

Do you honestly think your thoughts are relevant here? Diana tied up AMAZO (who had the powers of the JLA as shown during the scan. Speed of Flash, etc...) before his thought process got off the word "situation". She blitz (while he is thinking situation) tie up his arm and tie his entire body up before he finished his word. Si tu at ion... AMAZO was tied up faster than he can think

http://i.imgur.com/4uZO9VL.jpg

Hell, she had enough time to tie both of his arm up and tie both of them behind his back and then put the lasso around his chest before Amazo could react or complete a "word thought".

Your thoughts are nothing to me Scoobs, no way around this but you are as frozen as a cold winter log (yes, I know that was lame).

Scoobs, do you remember where I said your powers are irrelevant to me? I meant that. ALL of your powers mean nothing to me. I told you during the onset of this fight that Doom always have something in play, because, his ARMOR adapts to any situation. I dont think you understood what I meant by that. Let me go into detail with this.

Doom Armor has adaptive technology that could seal demons out of it. His armor adapts.

http://i.imgur.com/N5gJ27J.jpg

It has a mind of its own. Proof of this. Here is prepares a spell for the Crimson band of Cytorrak during mid combat with Ironman.

http://i.imgur.com/9SymZDl.jpg

It allows him to see spiritual demons.

http://i.imgur.com/V1xxMMg.jpg

Reed describes the armor as borderline aware.

http://i.imgur.com/OnpfGd7.jpg

The armor tries to take over Reeds mind.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor45-Possessed30.jpg.html
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor46-Possessed30.jpg.html

Scoobs isn't fighting 2 people here, he is actually fighting 3. My armor has a mind of its own.

Doom armor registered frequencies and adapted to an attack that he thought couldn't touch him the first time.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12310884/d7.jpg.html

Hell, his personal adapters is the reason his armor decided to drain the power from Franklin.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor44-PersonalAdaptersHeroesR.jpg

More showings of what his armor can do. Surfer goes on a wrecking spree, Doom armor reverse all of that (not Doom but his ARMOR does this).

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor10-Telekinesis156.jpg.html
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor11-Telekinesis156.jpg

THIS is an important scan. Doom armor allows him to see past the cloaking magic of the Hood.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor53-Scanners.jpg.html

AND detect a god that was cloaking/porting in.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor54-Scanners.jpg.html

LOL... his armor can disrupt ghost (but he needs to self activate this.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor60-EctoplasmicIonizer.jpg.html

It can even rechannel someones teleportation energy.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor61-DimensionalTeleportatio.jpg.html

So we know how useful Doom armor is. We know that it has adaptive abilities? A mind of its own. Hell, it can even conjure spells. Scoobs states that his goal is to attempt to get into my body, go past my armor. Thats IF he get past my speed and if anyone knows how fast the speed of light is, Scoobs will not get past that. I have all day to perform my tasks. Anyways, Scoobs tells us that he will get past my self aware armor. It aint happening because for one he has to get past my shield (and you also have to remember, I said if Scoobs went small, I would cloak myself. I've proven I could see past cloaking; Scoobs need to prove the same thing) that is not just a regular shield. It is built with lots of material to prevent almost any attack from entering. Example of Doom armor and Shielding canceling out powers.

Here we have Kitty Pride PHASING abilities failing against Doom. His armor cancelled out her powers.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor36b-PhaseCancellationExcal.jpg.html

LOL... it messes up Nightcrawler teleportation. Scrambles it.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor36d-TeleportChannelingExca.jpg.html

Rachel with the PHOENIX FORCE tries to enter Dooms armor telepathically and her mind gets high jacked. She thinks she is in a never ending battle against Doom and is winning.

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor36c-EncephaloHolagramExcal.jpg.html

Nightcrawler tries to port inside Doom shield, with Doom (who teleportation takes him into another dimension and transports him back into our reality) but it fails against Dooms shielding.

http://i.imgur.com/QAs4g32.jpg

Scoobs ATTEMPTING to enter my armor/shielding is risky.

Hell, Doom magic made him SEE the person who was telepathically attacking him.

http://i.imgur.com/jd33toa.jpg

A simple spell and he saw his attacker.

Now whats the downfall of this attempt Scoobs is trying to do? My shields are up which again hinders magneto abilities. Black Bolt powers are now irrelevant since he shrunk down to the size of an Atom (which is self bfr in my book. We will let the judges decide that) and now he is trying to approach my armor with Atoms power. Aint gonna work. I cancelled out Rachel powers who had possession of the Phoenix Force. Kitty Pride powers who tried to phase into me and Nightcrawler powers who ports him into another dimension. Scoobs is F*****. Him even approaching my armor is risky because it could undo his shrinking abilities which would then proceed with me beating him into paste or attempting my draining again (which was successful during the first attempt. Lets just say Scoobs was successful and his normal mind was able to get past my FTL movement speed (aint happening)). My armor and shieldings is a deadly combo. My armor has an adaptive mind of its own. My armor and shielding can turn off powers. Hell, Doom could deactivate a person powers via magic as well.

http://i.imgur.com/nXA2WqZ.jpg

My options are limitless. So again, I attack Scoobs at FTL speeds where he isn't even moving an inch (remember, I moved so fast that Amazo couldn't react or get out a thought. Amazo speed piss on Scoobs speed). I attack his shielding which shouldn't take no time at all since I am mixing magic with shield dampners. Once his shielding is gone, I drain him dry. Scoobs is comparing Atom shrinking before a bomb went off. That aint crap compared to Diana speed. I will see him shrinking because I have the speed to do so. I will (if he even get this small) grab him before he becomes tiny and his powers would be gone. Thats all it takes is a touch.

post #3

Black Bolt / Magneto / The Atom
No-Homo Superior

Carver still going for misdirection from the one and only point he has to prove - Can he, or can he not detect an opponent who is the same size, or smaller than, an atom?

If the answer is yes, then he has to show that he can still do that while the tiny opponent is cloaked and mobile.

Carv seems caught up in the idea that this is a running race, stting how fast he can travel... Wonder Woman can travel 7 time around the world in a second? I'd love to see that (really) irrelevant though, the issue is not solely travel speed, it's also location speed and can he do all he claims AND bust Magneto's shields before the Atom can shrink out of punching range, gotta say I really, really doubt it.... and the Atom shrinking speed feat I posted wasn't before the bomb went off, it was after, and he got small enough to slip between radiation AFTER that bomb went off - that's pretty damn fast

As for claims of being unable to withstand a Wonder Woman level assault, Black BOlt has gone toe to toe with most of Marvel's heavy hitters including Hulk, Gladiator, Ronan, Thor and otehrs and come out on top way more often than he has lost. Gladiator in particular is basically a copy of Superman with the same powers including Speed. Hulk is stronger than WW (debateable to some)

The WW scan Arv loves to throw up regarding Amazo is against a confused, damaged version who is; A) standing right in front of her and; B) most likely focused on Superman as the greater threat of the two

Tieing up someone two feet from you is hardly the same as attempting to locate someone who is already shrinking in an unknown starting location, especially when said person can best a Superman clone in H2H
[list]
[*]Hanging with Gladiator - 1
[*]Hanging with Gladiator - 2

[*]Beating Gladiator - 1
[*]Beating Gladiator - 2
[/list]

As I've said, Black Bolt's voice is mostly a fallback weapon (at least to begin with) If Carv somehow does manage to engage before I have shrunk down I will of course, use it, it has, after all, f**ked up everyone from Iron Man to Hulk to Gladiator to.... Thanos? well, maybe not that far, but he did hurt Thanos more than Hulk, Hyperion or Thor and caused the Titan to bleed a lot(While also destroying Attilan in the process):
[list]
[*]Noooo!
[*]BOOM (shakalaka)
[*]You made me bleed my own blood.... 🙁
[*]A-A-A-A stayin alive, stayin alive
[/list]
So in the end he lost, but it's Thanos, so that's ok, everyone loses to Thanos. (and I heard arguments that BB was at less than peak power due to charging up the terrigen dispersal bomb with his own power)
He did withstand a hell of a beating from big T before getting KOd though, I'd even wager he did better than Wonder Woman OR Doom could do by themselves (or even amalgamated)

So why am I not just coming out of the gate screaming? Because I have no idea what WW's shield can take and it makes my other characters redundant. So we're shrinking unless stopped. If stopped we're screaming the house down and following with massive EMPs then can crushing pressure on Doom's frazzled armour... and then shrinking during the aftermath of the scream (not whisper) and doing my whole initial plan thing anyway... if Princess Doom is still alive that is

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Atom's powers=annoying at best

AS for Doom's armour having such uber-defenses... here's a couple of scans of things getting inside his armour:

Sand and Gas... two things much larger than I will be in this match. Sure those scans are old school, but so are the incorrectly labelled scans of Magneto Carv posted (they aren't from SUper Villain Team Up, they are from Champions)

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And as far as "adaptive armour" goes... you have to experience something before you can adapt to it. In other words, because Doom has never dealt with someone like the Atom, his armour will have no standing defences against him or his powers. And there's only so much magnetic power that can be countered by tech, eventually everything is vulnerable... and Black Bolt?... I'm not sure anything can effectively counter this guy.

#4

Ok do you actually believes that the Atom has the Flash/Superman level reflexes needed to react to a lightspeed attack based on him shrinking out of the way of the atomic blast as it happened? And that's what Atom says, he shrank as the blast hit... not that he shrank in response to the blast hitting. That doesn't mean that he can think "shrink" before Wonder Doom can hit him, we're talking about someone who has a virtual supercomputer for a brain coupled with lightspeed reflexes and near lightspeed traveling capabilities. Regardless of how quickly his shrinking process works, Atom's not a bonified speedster by any stretch of the imagination.

As for your scans of gas and sand being used effectively against Doom, not only are they old as you yourself admit(and Doom constantly updates his armor), they only show things getting through the armor... there's no idication of Doom's forcefield being active at the time. Things like energy blast and electromagnetic particles/waves are far smaller than gas or sand and has been shown to NOT get through the forcefield. You might theoretically be able to be able to play keep away IF people believed Doom's sensors were unable to detect something giving off electromagnetic energy(which is almost a silly notion when you get right down to it), but you got nothing to indicate you can get through Doom's forcefield. But at that size, there's nothing you can really do to do damage through Doom's forcefield. As for BB's scream, it's undoubtedly powerful... but the fact that wispers do less damage than screams is proof of the fact that less sound= less power so the smaller your guy the less powerful the attack.

Meanwhile, Mag's forcefield has been showed to be ineffective against magic...

http://s1142.photobucket.com/user/Scoobless/media/Magnetos%20shields1.jpg.html
...and Doom's magic is right up there with the best of them. They've also been drained away before...

http://s38.photobucket.com/user/Soujaboy/media/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsMagneto7.jpg.html

...and everyone know's that Doom's one of the formost energy absorbers around...

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor13-ElectricityAbsorberSVTU.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor14-ElectricityAbsorberSVTU.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor42-PersonalAdaptersThorAnn.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor44-PersonalAdaptersHeroesR.jpg

Your forcefield is virtually useless. Your shrinking, is most likely useless as well against the sensors in Doom's armor, and while BB has decent durability, there's no way he's going to be able to deal with repeated shots from someone with WW strength/speed/skill who's going for the kill.

post #4

Black Bolt / Magneto / The Atom
No-Homo Superior

Size matters

Originally posted by carver9
Atom has the Flash/Superman level reflexes needed to react to a lightspeed attack based on him shrinking out of the way of the atomic blast as it happened

That doesn't mean that he can think "shrink" before Wonder Doom can hit him

If the fight started within arms reach of each other, face to face, you may have a point. but as far as I know, and as far as the last tourney (where we got the rules and everything else) we start off far apart with no knowledge of the others location.

The fact is simply this - my shrinking and your searching start at exactly the same time, even if it only takes Doom's scans a second to find me, I'll already be microscopic or smaller before you can arrive, at that point you'd need an entirely different method of scanning to have any hope of locating me.

Here's a scene that proves most of what I'm planning:

Bypassing "impenetrable" force fields, entering / disrupting / destroying brains .... riding lightwaves = lightspeed - and Magneto can manuplate those waves/particles to go any direction I want, so I can essentially be as small as an electron and travelling at the speed of light going wherever I damn well please, force field or no force field. Doom shield's are good, but Darkseid's are better, but still not good enough.

Time to end this. Good job Scoobs and thanks for the challenge.

Final Post

Ok here we go...

There are some problems with Scoobs shrinking plan.

1. The Atom/Darkseid scans are from Rock of Ages which is technically non-cannon. Scoobs, you are using non canon material.

2. Shrinking so small that one cannot actually interact with the battlefield SHOULD constitute self BFR which is only allowed as a phasing tactic for a period of 1 second via tourney rules.

3. Even if the judges decide to allow Scoobs to remain in that state indefinitely, there are serious logistical problems in his doing so. Scoobs plan's on going smaller(sub atomic), but let's assume for a second that he shrank down to the size of a hydrogen atom. A hydrogen atom has a diameter of approx 10.6 nanometres...
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_hydrogen_atoms_would_it_take_to_equal_one_inch

...which means it takes approximately 2.4 MILLION of them to cover a distance of a single inch. So if a 6 ft tall individual became as tall as a single hydrogen atom, 1 inch would be the equivalent of 14,400,000 MILLION feet... which is a little over 2,727 MILES... and that means that a single foot is the equivelent to 32,727 miles. For those who don't know, the circumference of Earth itself is about 24,000 miles...
http://whyzz.com/how-big-is-the-earth

Let's see, there are 5,280 feet in a mile so if we multiply that by 32,727 it means the equivalent to Scoobs of a single mile is 172,788,560 miles(to put that in perspective, the distance between the Earth and the Sun is only 92,955,807 miles) and the equivalent for the 7 miles between us 1,209,519,920 miles(nearly the distance from Earth to Saturn). How's he gonna find me to fly at me at that scale? For that matter, even with Mag's powers how's he going to steer light across a distance of 7 miles? Think about it, light will cover 7 miles virtually instantly and Scoobs he'd be traveling 1,209,519,920 miles near instantly... who here thinks that Mags, Blackbolt, or the Atom have the reflexes necessary to accomplish such a monumental feat? That's why the Atom rode an arrow aimed at DS's eye, there's no way he could have successfully navigated a light beam successfully at the distance he was standing. And keep in mind, that's if he were the size of a hydrogen atom, according to Scoob's he's going to shrink to the size of an electron(which is a LOT smaller than a hydrogen atom) as soon as the bell rings so we're actually talking about distances that likely span multiple solar systems and speed equivelents that put Flash's best speed feats to shame. He couldn't do such a thing off even if I were stationary and as I said early on, if I can't locate him right off I'll retreat and cloak myself... and factoring in his compensating for my speed in addition to all that is math that I'm not even going to try to do.

My cloak is something else to counter his attack. Think about it, invisibility cloaks function by bending light around the things they're cloaking so trying to ride the light just means he'll be riding waves that are going to be bent around my cloak. And despite the Atom/DS scans, we all know that thing's like light bypassing things like forcefields are story dependent plot device silliness. Forcefields block things like lasers(light) all the time and characters who bend light around them for invisibility can still see(unless we all believe that Mag's was blind in Scoob's scan where he cloaked himself).

As for using Mag's powers to steer the light, even if he had the reactions to do such a thing he'd be creating electromagnetic disturbances and Doom's sensors can already detect that kind of thing...

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery13TriumphTorment1.jpg.html

And let's not forget that Scoob's plans on maintaining Mags forcefield while he flies through mine and that my forcefield has already proven capable of REPELLING Mag's powers... if he flies into my forcefield it's going to shoot him back out the way the Hulk's body shoots out bullets that penetrate his skin.

4. Scoob's inability to actually attack me effectively at the relative speeds we'll both be moving at basically gives me all the time in the time in the world to re-calibrate Doom's sensors to allow me to find him with the greatest of ease and once I do that it's a simple matter of throwing up the Crimson Bands of Cyttorack.

http://i.imgur.com/7TnK8Al.jpg

(not the only time he's done this)

And note, you can't SEE through the Bands(no riding lightwaves out) and magic exist outside of the laws of science anyway, so he's not getting out anyway you cut it and he'd be so small they they wouldn't be "bands" to him, they'd completely encompass him.

To review...

1. Even if we were to assume that Scoobs could shrink before I reached him(and to believe that one would have to believe that he's got Flash/Supes level reactions)his shrinking actually works AGAINST his own guy and plays right into my hands. Shrinking reduces Mag's and Blackbolt's powers and makes reaching me or even FINDING me all but impossible.

2. Even if we were to assume that Doom's sensors were somehow unable to detect his presense, he's given me all the time in the world to re-calibrate my sensors and cast scrying spells to help find him.

3. Even if we were to assume he could penetrate Doom's forcefield that utilizes a unique blend of science and magic just by shrinking(cause we've seen that Mag's powers are utterly useless against it), he's either going to get spit right back out because my forcefield repels Mag's powers or have his own powers thrown completely out of whack by the field just as it did against Nightcrawler trying to teleport through it...
http://i.imgur.com/QAs4g32.jpg

and the Vision and Shadowcat when they tried phasing through it through it...
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Fights/DoomvsAvengers06.jpg.html

http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor36b-PhaseCancellationExcal.jpg.html

All things considered he's GOT to face me head to head to mount any kind of real offense, and between Doom's sorcery...

Doom analyzes and learns mystic combat during the contest for the Sorcerer Supreme title in Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom: Triumph and Torment and immediately begins to make use of it. Doom is the second to last man standing:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery14TriumphTorment1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery15TriumphTorment1.jpg

Doom demonstrates his magical superiority over Kun Lun's own Sorcerer Supreme, Master Khan, in Namor #31:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery18Namor31.jpg

Doom's library is vast and considered to be one of the largest in the world, from Fantastic Four vol. 2 #30:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2130.jpg

Just how vast? Here's a spread-page shot of Doom's personal library in Fantastic Four vol. 2 #70:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Stats/DoomSorcery2270.jpg

...the power/versatility of his armor and strength of his forcefield, and the physical attributes/defenses/skill/weapons of Wonder Woman... he just doesn't have a prayer of withstanding the kind of offensive power Wonder Doom brings to the table. And since Mag's powers are all but useless, Blackbolt's voice/powers are easy enough to dodge/deflect with WW's speed or blocked via her bracers/Aegis Shield...

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr138/fangirl102/wwwitchfirenekron38ev.jpg

Point is, this is my character's fight to lose and let's face it... I won't

post #5

Black Bolt / Magneto / The Atom
No-Homo Superior

Size matters

Firstly, "Rock of Ages" happened in continuity in JLA comics, it was cannon as the characters who travelled to the future had full memory of it when they returned and it had effects that lasted beyond it's own story arc. Also it's just one way Atom can use his powers, there was no amping of any kind going on to suuggest that anything new cam into play.

Secondly, Shringking is not self BFR, I am still completely within the battleground, I'm just harder to find.

Thirdly, your math lesson is a waste of time. regardless of scale, the radiation/light waves I will be riding are still moving at light speed relative to normal sized people (much like Ray has ridden through telephone lines over the years)
I never outright stated I would be maintaining Magneto's force field while tiny, I said I'd be cloaked. Black Bolt has his own force field as well, something that Doom can't claim to simply nerf, in fact it was one of the first powers he ever exhibited:

Even as a baby he could instinctively create force fields, power blasts and even fly.

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Doom repelling/reversing a single (simple) directed energy attack does not mean he can simply wave away all of Magneto's powers. Here's an example of supposedly effective mutant countermeasures being bypassed by Magneto (though not by Polaris)

Energy fields and metal ... apply enough magnetic force and eventually it all succumbs.

Cloaking shields tend to block the visible spectrum of light (Like the Invisible Woman) we can't see them with the naked eye, but light still gets in and out, with Black Bolt's energy senses and Magneto's, um, also energy senses, I can easily detect things/people that would normally be labelled "invisible" by a normal human.

And, yes, Magneto can manipulate the course of light/photons as shown with the invisibility cloak erlier, and this:

Altering the course of a single particle/wave of light will be no problem.

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As for Doom's attempt at the Crimson Bands, Strange flat out tells him he's doing it wrong. So Doom and his armour need a few more lessons in the mystic arts it seems, and when they aren't summoned properly, they get phucked up:

Not even Strange is 100% capable of casting them correctly every time, and it seems that putting pressure on them may actually harm the conjurer.

And, frankly speaking, I doubt the bands have ever been cast that small at a target moving at the speed of light practically AS a particle of light.

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As for detection, I have two top notch energy guys, Magneto is always aware of the magnetic fields nearby and especially anything that contains Iron:

Sight is not required to find you as long as you posses anything metallic or are generating any type of energy field.

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And Doom CANNOT simply bypass Magneto's power:

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Now here's something that only recently came to my attention:
[list]
[*]Atom has some cool tech
[*]Which allows for speed enhancement
[*]... but only at micro-sizes [/list]
This is effectively technological super-speed. six and a half months worth of experience within 75 seconds, use your super-math powers to figure out how fast my reaction speed will be at this level (slightly above Wonder-Woman's I'd wager)

"but Atom had to take time to build it" (some might say) - maybe, but I'm going to take a shortcut using a combination of Black Bolt & Magneto's powers along with Atom's knowledge:

Black Bolt can transmute Electron's to change energy and materials from one form to another and reshape them:
[list]
[*]Matter/energy transmuting 1
[*]Matter/energy transmuting 2
[*]Matter/energy transmuting 3 [/list]
Magneto can restructure even broken machinery into perfect working order with merely a thought

Add this to the fact that Atom really only needs a couple of modifications, not building anything entirely new, and I can easily reproduce this tech after I've shrunk down below Doom's radar.

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So we're at the end of the match now, here's my final list:
[list=1]
[*]Carver never once attempted to show any kind of detection for Atom sized beings
[*]I never wavered from my plan, I just modified it slightly as my research progressed
[*]Carver relies entirely on a superfast KO against shields that can repel anything and a body that goes toe to toe with the likes of Gladiator and the Hulk
[*]Magneto's power will not diminish due to being smaller, it's not related to his body's size, at regular size he can affect the whole world, size is not an issue for him.
[*].... ahhh .... you get the point
[*]OK, go write up your votes
[*]Remember, it's Scoobless, not Scoobles.
[/list]

Judges are: JBL, Meep-meep & "ID"

Meep-meep is on vacation so switching him out for Prof. T.C McAbe

"For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again."

Prof. T.C McAbe wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 09:53 AM:
Write up
Carver, write up:
WW
Speed kills, combat speed/reflexes, hard defense through bracers and Herald level Strength.
Dr. Doom
Prep Skills (especially against Magneto), Durability (Armor+Shields), Magic skills.

So Carver and Scoobs start the game with shields. Scoobs will be frozen in time compared to Carvers speed and his shield removed by Magic attacks at high end speeds, then Scoobs will be drained.

Scoobs write up:
Black Bold, Magneto and The Atom
Quite short. Begins the fight shielded. Can he shrink fast enough to avoid carvers blitz?

Me:
Doubt it, Carver seems to have the edge here.

Post 1
Carver: Still going by the Blitz, and I have to agree with him here. Also builds a defense in case the blitz fails. Not very confident in his strategy?

Scoobs:
Shows his cloaking and offensive abilities. Let's see if he can counter Carvers speed. His argument that Carver, even with WW speed, will need time to break the shield and this would give him enough to shrink makes sense.

Me:
Scoobs offense is better, attacking someone from within but can he enter Carver without Carver noticing or preventing it? Carvers speed is superior, can he break the shields in time before Scoobs enters him? I feel dirty writing this.

Post 2
Carver:
List his advantages and doubts that scoobs can pull out the shrink in time. Goes now for a TKO through Gas instead of draining.

Scoobs:
Goes still for the shrink attack and can avoid Gas through size.

Me:
Undecided.

Post 3
Carver:
Shows his defensive powers which are really impressive, though I remember the context of some scans differently I go with Carvers interpretation (as a Judge I have no knowledge of the chars). He goes now with the speed, reaction time, sensors and draining. Good.

Scoobs:
Doubts Carver has the means to adapt and avoid being entered by someone as small as Atom. Would go for a Scream if caught with shields down before shrunk down to atomic size. Somehow gets the idea he has to resist a physical assault and not draining...?

Me:
It goes down to "Can Carver bring Scoobs shields down before Scoobs can react?" I don't know and both still didn't convince me. I tend to agree with Carver here.

Post 4
Carver:
Makes some good arguments, especially the forcefields and old scans.

Scoobs:
Ok, wow, Atom bypassing Darkseid shield? Ok so he can enter Carver if given the chance to shrink down enough to find the hole in Carvers defense.

Me:
The Darkseid scan shows me that Scoobs should be able to take Carver out, still the questions linger, can he do it in time?

Final Post
Carver:
Non canon Material? Ok, let's forget it then.
I don't agree with the BFR argument.
The rest is a what if scenario but he stays with his speed advantage.

Scoobs:
Ok, so now it's canon?
He shows that he will take down Carver if he get's the chance to srink.

Me:
Puh, tough one. I am honestly not convinced by both. If Scoobs can shrink down to atomic size I believe he can enter Carver and take him out, no doubt BUT Carvers speed is at the beginning so superior that it's hard to see Atom shrink fast enough to avoid the draining, not a physical and magical assault, which would be tankable by Scoobs but the draining?

Decision:
Flip a coin? I know Carver is the underdog in this match up and my personal nemesis on this board uhuh *kidding* but I do think that his speed and tech will allow him to get to Scoobs in time and deactivate the shields and start the draining. A scream can be blocked and tanked. Can the shrinking be prevented by draining?
Really tough one. Solid presentations by both but a lack of countermeasures against the top argument of the other. I have to go with a gut feeling, sorry for that. 50,0001 for Carver and 49,9999 for Scoobs.

Good job, both of you and congratulations Carver.

"Id" wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 03:22 PM:

Carver: Wonder Woman + Dr. Doom
Carver makes points of his superior speed, and physical prowess. Plus a combination of tech, lasso/bracers and magic to aid him. Among them the ability to be immune to Magneto, energy drain, and null-shield.
His plan is to blitz, defang his opponent, and take him out using the above methods

Scoobless: Black Bolt + Magneto + The Atom
Scoobless made it easy for me to see what he is attempting to do. Thanks Scoobs!
Shrink/cloak. Approach target while tiny and undetectable. Bypass any shielding by being too small or via magnetic field/electron manipulation. Enter target. Disrupt blood flow via magnetically halting all iron, thereby cutting off oxygen to target's brain. Make way to target's brain, Set off EMP to wipe target's mind clean, Shout at brain to destroy target's head, Celebrate!

Now lets see your arguments and rebuttals.

First off I want to declare Carver9 the winner. And here are my reasons for it.

I know the battlefield well. It’s the same battlefield in the tournament I hosted. Its in the Roman Coliseum, and opposite ends of the battlefield which is roughly 120 yards from each other.

So the contenders start knowing each other’s starting point. As Carver pointed out, Dooms holds smart tech, therefore Dooms armor would already clocked and registed Scoobless. And that’s the end of it. We are talking about an armor A.I. that can register aliens, phantoms, energy signatures, etc.. Would be to argue against the grain.

The only prep they have is to raise shields. With that said it becomes a running race. I find it hard to believe that The Atom can shrink faster than Wondy can cut the distance and take him out? The scan where the Atom shrinks down to photons is a questionable one, and one that I threw out since it could be regarded as non-canon. So the answer would be yes Wondy can cut the distance before Scoob shrinks to sub atomic size.

But even if Wondy couldn’t Dooms armor already registered his opponents. Its automated defenses would pick him up, and I find it hard to think that Magneto can breach Dr. Dooms shields by force alone, especially in a extremely reduced size, since the scale of their power would scale as he shrinks.

Than it becomes a two part question. Does Dr. Doom have tech to render himself immune to to Magento? Contrary to Scoobless claim it is NOT a 40 year old scan it took place after the Onslaught Saga. The scans that he presented of Dooms shields failings (which are an inaccurate description) are 40 years old. More importantly he failed to prove otherwise. Scoob did present Magneto overcoming attacks from the Sentinals, but fails to mention that Magneto benefited from an highly amped state. So its not applicable here. Therefore I have to move forward with the idea that Caver can become immune to Magneto mutant powers.

Second question. Can Scoob counter the null-field neutralizer? The answer is NO. If Caver is immune to Magento, his tech will not be effected, especially if he has an active force field to shield him. Caver brought up that the Null-Field is one the means to neutralize Magnetos shield. And again Scoob failed to counter the fact.

With the shields nullified, and Magneto neutralized. Wonder Doom would close in on Scoobs team and get taken thanks to his magic and fighting prowess.

Winner Carver9

JBL's verdict hasn't arrived but it won't effect the outcome

Yaaaaayyyyyy....I'm dancing right now. Two stepping. Thanks guys, you are the best. I thought Professor was going to vote against me because he knows deep down inside Hulk would piss on Superman (just playing). Thanks again. Scoobs. In your BZ against ABHI, you won it based off speed. Your entire argument circled around ABHI not being able to react in time. I'm sure you felt somewhere down the line that speed was a huge issue here.

Originally posted by carver9
Yaaaaayyyyyy....I'm dancing right now. Two stepping. Thanks guys, you are the best. I thought Professor was going to vote against me because he knows deep down inside Hulk would piss on Superman (just playing). Thanks again. Scoobs. In your BZ against ABHI, you won it based off speed. Your entire argument circled around ABHI not being able to react in time. I'm sure you felt somewhere down the line that speed was a huge issue here.

uhuh

I change my vote, Scoobs wins.

huhu

Anyway, by now dear Carver you should know that I can be objective and give credit where credit is due.

That's why it's a fact that Superman would shiet all over Hulk, because of... Speed!

biscuits

Great Win Carv!