Originally posted by SelenialBecause Force mastery has no bearing on this competition or on her being regarded as a prodigy. 😕
Most retarded post of the thread goes to Beni, which is impressive given one of them includes Filoni basically saying Anakin = Vader.Hint: Literally no one is denying she could be that level in force mastery, just that logically her duelling skills should not be among the best of all time learning from a Holocron and not having sparred with anyone in 8 years.
I was referring to Ahsoka 😕
And though she may not to as talented as the likes of Anakin, Jacen, Revan etc. she certainly has the potential to be above the majority of the Jedi Council and the 10,000 odd Jedi beneath them, so prodigal as in "exceptional" "outstanding" etc. could certainly be applied to her, don't you think?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I was referring to Ahsoka 😕And though she may not to as talented as the likes of Anakin, Jacen, Revan etc. she certainly has the potential to be above the majority of the Jedi Council and the 10,000 odd Jedi beneath them, so prodigal as in "exceptional" "outstanding" etc. could certainly be applied to her, don't you think?
No, since you said Ahsoka should be around Shaak Ti level, you'd have to define them both as prodigies.
Perhaps, but the way I see it, prodigies come around a few times every era. Sidious, Windu, Yoda, Dooku? They're prodigies. The Hero of Tython, Barsen'thor and Nox? Prodigies. I don't think we've seen anything from Ahsoka to warrant that kind of title, tbh.
Originally posted by SelenialThat's why I said "easily", not that Shaak Ti wasn't among the most powerful Jedi of the time.
No, since you said Ahsoka should be around Shaak Ti level, you'd have to define them both as prodigies.Perhaps, but the way I see it, prodigies come around a few times every era. Sidious, Windu, Yoda, Dooku? They're prodigies. The Hero of Tython, Barsen'thor and Nox? Prodigies. I don't think we've seen anything from Ahsoka to warrant that kind of title, tbh.
Meh, I suppose it's relative, nonetheless it's pointless to debate semantics if we agree she =>Jedi Council as a Force user.
Originally posted by SelenialThe problem is that people are jumping the gun saying that her increase in skill would be illogical, when we literally know jack on what she could have done in those 15 years. You're saying "at best she could have done ____" but you don't actually know that. I mentioned holocrons because you said that the Jedi Archives and training areas were destroyed / under surveillance, but there are still other Jedi Temples in the Galaxy that can contain archives of their own and training areas / devices / droids, etc.
As I said in my last post, she won't have sparred with anyone in years, and at best has learned what she learns from a Holocron. The Inquisitor is living proof that knowledge =/= skill. For any of this to matter, Ahsoka would need to approach not only Council level skill with a blade, but actually top-council member level. Look at every skilled duelist from Windu to Exar Kun, they learn through ruthless and unrelenting training, not from a holocron.
Ahsoka has a background in four of the seven forms and was drilled endlessly by Skywalker to perfect the sequences of them. She definitely would have pursued to advance and develop her skillset and fighting style on her own well. She's sparred with the best of her era and has 1-on-1 encounters with some of the most dangerous combatants during the Clone Wars. I think she has the experience and breadth of knowledge to develop her skills to a much higher degree. Ahsoka is a very combat-driven person, so I think she would have found any way possible to develop her skills. As pointed out, she has a high Force-potential, and strength in the Force correlates with lightsaber skill and development.
Look at Luke Skywalker, who in just 4 years was able to increase to a large degree and go toe-to-toe with Vader. His experience dueling Vader just once gave him the opportunity to evolve his style and effectiveness as a duelist. Obviously I'm not stupid enough not to recognize that Luke's Force-potential blows Ahsoka's out of the water, but it serves my point that Jedi that are strong in the Force can improve drastically on their own.
Originally posted by SelenialPadawan feats for Yoda?
And no, that's not prodigy. Prodigy among the Jedi Order's history is Yoda, Revan, Jacen Solo, Cade Skywalker level, and they have more impressive padawan feats than that. I already conceded she would become a Council Level warrior/Jedi had she been allowed to, I just don't consider Council members prodigies.
But yeah, this all depends how you define prodigy. Needless to say she wouldn't be prodigious to the same to degree as Jacen or Cade, who have Skywalker blood. Yoda has one of the highest midichlorian counts recorded, and Revan is just.. Revan. If we're just being era-specific though, she's accomplished feats that should have been well above someone like her, and even Anakin has said that he forgets how young she is because of her advanced abilities. For me, at least, her feats and accolades point that she is a prodigy. We can agree to disagree on this point though, since it's very much a matter of perspective.
Originally posted by |King Joker|
Ahsoka wank is only beneficial for Vader, Freshest. You should embrace it like ares has. He knows we're playing the long game with these preemptive arguments for Ahsoka.