Originally posted by The_TempestAccording to The Jedi Path, Yoda was only able to lift 5 of the 7 Muuntuur stones since passing 700 years, around the same time that the balance in the Force first shifted to the dark side.
Some interpret that as meaning all their Force applications diminished and that their combat abilities were therefore inferior. I've only ever seen it refer to clairvoyance, precognition, and farsight.This book appears to favor the latter interpretation.
Not sure how accurate that is in light of this.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, when I flipped through it yesterday. Same standard hype/accolades he's been getting for decades.But now that I have a personal copy, I'm giving the whole book a more thorough investigation.
Not quite the usual hype, because the page states he may have unparalleled power in Sith history, so I guess that will lead to another debate (ahem, I meant bloodbath 😈 ). Prepare yourself.
Originally posted by Nargaroth
Not quite the usual hype, because the page states he may have unparalleled power in Sith history, so I guess that will lead to another debate (ahem, I meant bloodbath 😈 ). Prepare yourself.
That's pretty much the standard hype though: he's usually identified as the most powerful or one of the most powerful in every sourcebook he's in. And it's certainly the most generous accolade proffered in the entire book.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
According to The Jedi Path, Yoda was only able to lift 5 of the 7 Muuntuur stones since passing 700 years, around the same time that the balance in the Force first shifted to the dark side.Not sure how accurate that is in light of this.
The book doesn't really offer much by way of that. If Yoda's abilities diminished, it doesn't give any reason for us to believe it was because of imbalance.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
According to The Jedi Path, Yoda was only able to lift 5 of the 7 Muuntuur stones since passing 700 years, around the same time that the balance in the Force first shifted to the dark side.Not sure how accurate that is in light of this.
Isn't that attributed to him getting older?
No reason is given, but various sources date the imbalance of the Force as starting 200 years PT, Yoda himself being one of these sources.
It seems an unlikely coincidence that this decline in his ability would be dated around the same time (Yoda being around 900 years old), if we weren't supposed to infer a link.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No reason is given, but various sources date the imbalance of the Force as starting 200 years PT, Yoda himself being one of these sources.It seems an unlikely coincidence that this decline in his ability would be dated around the same time (Yoda being around 900 years old), if we weren't supposed to infer a link.
Canonically, the Force being out of balance is only really identified in AOTC. Upon Maul's return in s4 of TCW, he notes that "The Force is out of balance," strongly implying it wasn't prior to his defeat at Naboo.
Legends initially offered the idea that the Force was coming out of balance as early as 200 ABY in Labyrinth of Evil, but the matter was clarified {or obfuscated further, depending on your opinion} in Darth Plagueis as a product of the Sidious/Plagueis ritual approximately 40 years before the Battle of Yavin. The 200 ABY event was "retconned" as the first time the Jedi were able to sense the dark side's presence strongly thanks to the shenanigans of Tenebrous's Master or somesuch.
tl;dr: Legends never really explained it well
BTW, they're really incorporating the Legends conceit:
Originally posted by The_TempestInteresting, honestly the idea that it only effected the Cosmic Force makes more sense, as I assume that is what governs balance in the Force and what not.
Canonically, the Force being out of balance is only really identified in AOTC. Upon Maul's return in s4 of TCW, he notes that "The Force is out of balance," strongly implying it wasn't prior to his defeat at Naboo.Legends initially offered the idea that the Force was coming out of balance as early as 200 ABY in Labyrinth of Evil, but the matter was clarified {or obfuscated further, depending on your opinion} in Darth Plagueis as a product of the Sidious/Plagueis ritual approximately 40 years before the Battle of Yavin. The 200 ABY event was "retconned" as the first time the Jedi were able to sense the dark side's presence strongly thanks to the shenanigans of Tenebrous's Master or somesuch.
tl;dr: Legends never really explained it well
BTW, they're really incorporating the Legends conceit:Mmm, this is basically how I've seen it since the annoucement, nice to see this was indeed their intention.
The concept is reiterated a few more times during the Jedi's history, but repeated again in the Sith section:
"The history of the Sith is even more unknown, obscure, muddled, and distorted than that of the Jedi."
"Given the Sith's nature and beliefs. fabricated and exaggerated stories are certainly intermixed with information on actual events."