[QUOTE=15480817]Originally posted by quanchi112
Everything is circumstantial.
When in the novel does it state he can never achieve that again ? [/QUOTE
Glad you understand in this battle the circumstances of this battle.
When it explains what was feuling vaapad, it explains the passion and anger he felt and how it was something he never experienced before.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious2Not just this battle all battles. You are hypocritically acting like this is any different than any other unique battle.
[QUOTE=15480817]Originally posted by quanchi112
[B]Everything is circumstantial.When in the novel does it state he can never achieve that again ?
[/QUOTEGlad you understand in this battle the circumstances of this battle.
When it explains what was feuling vaapad, it explains the passion and anger he felt and how it was something he never experienced before. [/B]
It never says he couldn't do this again. I caught you.
Originally posted by EmperorSidious22. The novelization explains his boost and makes it clear he won't get the same boost ever again.
Well he obviously won't because he died right after that fight 😛
But seriously, assuming that was his "Best Ever" performance, then it obviously was a one-off because it was his last performance as well.
And I would argue it was at least a "Peak" performance for Mace considering just a few months earlier he lost to Darth Maul + 2 Mandalorians. Palpatine would rip through those three 10/10 times. And that's without help from Secura Lol.
So yes, the evidence and feats support you ES2.
Originally posted by Darth ThorSpeculation at best. Abc logic isn't required when Windu beat Sidious. 😂
Well he obviously won't because he died right after that fight 😛But seriously, assuming that was his "Best Ever" performance, then it obviously was a one-off because it was his last performance as well.
And I would argue it was at least a "Peak" performance for Mace considering just a few months earlier he lost to Darth Maul + 2 Mandalorians. Palpatine would rip through those three 10/10 times. And that's without help from Secura Lol.
So yes, the evidence and feats support you ES2.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Not just this battle all battles. You are hypocritically acting like this is any different than any other unique battle.It never says he couldn't do this again. I caught you.
Dooku vs Anakin in AOTC and Windu vs Sidious ROTS. Shall I list the many differences in that battle? 😂 See the difference.
No you didn't. It explains his boost and thus makes it clear that he would never receive that boost ever again.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well he obviously won't because he died right after that fight 😛But seriously, assuming that was his "Best Ever" performance, then it obviously was a one-off because it was his last performance as well.
And I would argue it was at least a "Peak" performance for Mace considering just a few months earlier he lost to Darth Maul + 2 Mandalorians. Palpatine would rip through those three 10/10 times. And that's without help from Secura Lol.
So yes, the evidence and feats support you ES2.
Yea I was also going off mental state as well. Psychologically speaking mace was in the heat of the moment, the highest point of internal anger ever, it makes it clear in the novelization that this was fueled by how the republic was being run by the Sith was why he was pissed. After that, even if he wasn't dead, his internal anger from a psychological stand point would be lower since he already fought him once and then Sidious won't have a plan either, just to fight. You agree right.
^ Yeah I mean focus/mental state is something that is known to greatly effect Jedi/Sith in combat.
Look at Kenobi and Ventress stalemating/losing to Maul + Opress one episode, then the next episode Kenobi stalemating Maul 1 v 1, then at the end of the same episode Kenobi stalemating/defeating Maul + Opress combined.
Filoni's commentary made it clear that the difference in these fights was Kenobi's focus/mental state. And that's clearly going to be more so with Mace given the nature of Vapaad.
Facts are:
Mace fought equally with Sidious when fighting for everything he believed in.
Sidious Stomped Maul + Opress together. The fight made it clear this would happen 10/10 times.
Mace + Secura lost to Maul + 2 Death Watch warriors, suggesting Maul + 2 Death Watch warriors would take a good majority against Mace alone.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Mace + Secura lost to Maul + 2 Death Watch warriors, suggesting Maul + 2 Death Watch warriors would take a good majority against Mace alone.
You should really stop saying that.
1. That fight was hella short to draw any conclusion from it.
2. Maul didn't win, he exploited the intervention of the Mandos and ran away.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That you're hypocritical as ****? Pretty sure that was the argument I just made. Why don't you make up an argument that actually backs up what you said against DP? I agree with much of what he said, and look forward to you actually making a point yourself.
I already have.
If you have an actual counter for what I said, go ahead. Otherwise I'm really not interested in your trash-talking.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I already have.If you have an actual counter for what I said, go ahead. Otherwise I'm really not interested in your trash-talking.
It was two comic panels in which we see Maul kick Aayla in the face while blocking an attack from Mace, that's all, and that tells us next to nothing other than that he can contend with them.
In the end Maul fled (because yes Mace Windu is a threat to him) after Windu was caught off guard by a missile. This too tells us very little about a pair of Mandos ability to handle Mace in a straight up engagement, in which evasion would probably be involved.
All in all we can surmise next to nothing from the fight other than 1. Maul won't be blitzed by a Windu tier duelist, even with mid-tier backup 2. a missile blowing up in your face hurts.
Nothing we didn't already know, but not much else. 👆