Originally posted by Tzeentch
10 years, nearly 7000 dead American troops. Result: Terrorists as strong today as they were before, just under a different name.America: Maybe if we do it again things will be different!
What's the definition of insanity, again?
Minor correction: terrorist are seemingly stronger now than they were prior to Bush's war. Seems this is what happens when you destroy a country and turn it into a terrorist breeding ground.
I would hope we have since learned from the second gulf war. It just can't be blind aggression to get vengeance.
We need to be invited in with a collation and not just the people we force to be our allies because we will be upset with them if we don't.
We need middle eastern countries to align with us and commit troops. We need the UN to hopefully endorse this and commit.
We also need to remember war is costly and brutal not just for us but the innocent people that will be put in harms way. If all we do is destabilize the region more. If we don't do a good job protecting civilians then the next generation of radicals will be well supplied with willing bodies and we will be right back here in another ten years.
Originally posted by Newjak
I would hope we have since learned from the second gulf war. It just can't be blind aggression to get vengeance.We need to be invited in with a collation and not just the people we force to be our allies because we will be upset with them if we don't.
We need middle eastern countries to align with us and commit troops. We need the UN to hopefully endorse this and commit.
We also need to remember war is costly and brutal not just for us but the innocent people that will be put in harms way. If all we do is destabilize the region more. If we don't do a good job protecting civilians then the next generation of radicals will be well supplied with willing bodies and we will be right back here in another ten years.
This is a good plan, Obama will surely succeed if he does this.
Originally posted by Newjak
I would hope we have since learned from the second gulf war. It just can't be blind aggression to get vengeance.We need to be invited in with a collation and not just the people we force to be our allies because we will be upset with them if we don't.
We need middle eastern countries to align with us and commit troops. We need the UN to hopefully endorse this and commit.
We also need to remember war is costly and brutal not just for us but the innocent people that will be put in harms way. If all we do is destabilize the region more. If we don't do a good job protecting civilians then the next generation of radicals will be well supplied with willing bodies and we will be right back here in another ten years.
There are too many conflicting interests at play, and at the moment, IS isn't seen by the major powers as enough of a threat to shelve those interests in favor of taking them on.
If America were to try to get Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey to work together to stop ISIS, they'd have to somehow balance out those parties' competing desires regarding the Al-Assad regime. Turkey, our most important partner in the region re: Syria, has ISIS as its third priority after the Kurds and Al-Assad.
Originally posted by Tzeentch
10 years, 1.6 trillion dollars and nearly 7000 dead American troops. Result: Terrorism as prolific today as it was before, just under a different name.America: Maybe if we do it again things will be different!
What's the definition of insanity, again?
Originally posted by Omega VisionAgreed. It is easy on paper what we need to be but there are plenty of logistics that are going to get in the way.
I think if there wasn't already a proxy war going on between Russia and the US this would have already happened. Unfortunately, there's that proxy war.There are too many conflicting interests at play, and at the moment, IS isn't seen by the major powers as enough of a threat to shelve those interests in favor of taking them on.
If America were to try to get Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey to work together to stop ISIS, they'd have to somehow balance out those parties' competing desires regarding the Al-Assad regime. Turkey, our most important partner in the region re: Syria, has ISIS as its third priority after the Kurds and Al-Assad.