Originally posted by Ushgarak
Don't equate a belief system with a race.Regardless, do we have anything more on-topic here? if it's going to become a broad debate about Christian tolerance, it belongs in the religion section.
All I'm trying to say is that bashing someone's religion is not respectful. I don't bash liberals and atheists for thrir beliefs. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. If you hate religion, that is fine. Just state that you disagree and be courteous about it. The purpose of this forum is to debate in a respectful manner, not bash opposing views.
Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
All I'm trying to say is that bashing someone's religion is not respectful. I don't bash liberals and atheists for thrir beliefs. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. If you hate religion, that is fine. Just state that you disagree and be courteous about it. The purpose of this forum is to debate in a respectful manner, not bash opposing views.
Again, you conflated two things there- bashing someone's religion is not the same as bashing a person for their beliefs.
Attacking someone's expressed beliefs is fair game in a debate, so long as it is all on topic. A right to opinion is not a right to silence criticism. When it crosses to personal attacks, it's different.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Attacking someone's expressed beliefs is fair game in a debate, so long as it is all on topic. A right to opinion is not a right to silence criticism. When it crosses to personal attacks, it's different.
My boss takes the opposite stance. He thinks the world has swung too far in the wrong direction with ideas like these. An attack of a person's religious beliefs is an attack on the person. It is part of what defines that person. Compartmentalizing those beliefs as separate entities of a person is not correct nor can it be done but by a very few select people.
Talk down to a belief (religious or otherwise), it is an insult to the person.
You only need to look at the absurd amount of violence that is perpetuated in the world by people who take offense to attacks on their beliefs.
What you state is just not possible for humans to do. Almost none of them are capable of compartmentalizing as you suggest.
I said all that but I do believe this: I think everyone should believe as you do on this topic. And I try to do that, as well. Having this belief has greatly helped me in my career. Anytime someone disagrees with a new process I create, I don't take it personally. If I did, I'd be a miserable mess...because there is always SOMEONE who disagrees with how I believe we should do things. 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
And yet Jesus still doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to flip out over a colored piece of cloth that stands for something as benign as "diversity", considering all he taught about love and acceptance.I am now? Guess it's good thing I'm not a Christian then.
Nah, you're just upset that your cherry-picking-passages-rage-Jesus isn't actually in the Bible. That Jesus condemns gay sex, but loves fashionably trimming his beard and a good shrimp cocktail.
That's ok. Jesus loves you even thou you are a prick.
And Jesus doesn't rationalize things to make them fit into a twisted view of things like Roby.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]Not all Christians are from Westboro. Jesus had no problem pointing out when People were doing BAD and or WRONG Things. Much like he did with the people turning the synagogues in to market places. He didn't hold back then. And You are a pretty judgmental person as well.So kettle pot black it would seem.
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If the Westboro Baptist Church is your bar for what constitutes anti-LGBT bigotry, then it is awfully low.
Re: The gay flag is an anti-Christian symbol?
Originally posted by Jesus McBurger
http://www.deonvsearth.com/gay-pride-flag-mockery-towards-god-did-you-know/
Wtf?
I'm not quite sure what you're asking here or what kind of response you're seeking.
I can't even be sure you read the article you posted beyond the title and first few lines, for the author outlined his case fairly well.
Perhaps you disagree with his conclusion?
If so ... why? Is it because he cites a Biblical reason for it being so?
The author outlines exactly what is purpose is:
"the goal of this article is to address the topic from a Christian perspective while comparing the events taking place to a biblical world-view"
... and then gets right down to doing so.
Exactly what problem are you having?
Personally, I'm of the opinion that, whether the so-called "Pride" flag is deliberate anti-Christian mockery or not, it is effective propaganda.
It disguises itself through a type of color symbology that should theoretically endear itself to the youngest members of society, which is exactly who you should target if you want to control the future.
It's bright! It's gay! It's cheerful and attractive and pleasant!
Rather like a child's Crayola's.
Or the really cool cakes and cookies you see at birthday parties.
In terms of marketing alone, it's brilliant.
I truly wonder how people like yourself are affected.
Little that I've seen has convinced me that what is prevalent today is anything but the result of a steady media diet on impressionables.
An avalanche of TV advertising, print, news, etcetera, assaulting year after year after year.
Nearly all of it preaching moral relativism and being "true" to yourself.
Only problem is, that's preached as following your feelings.
I note this advice given in several threads.
The most unusual and striking was probably the following, where I came across this response:
Originally posted by walshynot really. now you're no longer qualified to be gay.
j/k. feelings don't always make sense though, and labels don't always fit. don't stress about it.
just go with whatever feels right for you.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=610129
"Just go with whatever 'feels' right for you ..."?
THAT stopped me short.
Because, as I may have said before, I've seen some of the other threads you started or have participated in.
"Just go with whatever 'feels' right for you ..."?
That's about the worst advice I can imagine someone giving a teen with your posting history.
Are feelings a safe guide? Do they reflect true reality? Is it wise to follow them?
The answers to all of these questions is "no". But the average teenager is hard-pressed to realize that, let alone admit it, and given how mercurial and violent emotions can be, this advice can prove deadly.
"Whatever 'feels' right"? Doubtless the poster who wrote that meant well, but,
if that's not just about the most lethal advice ever, I'd like to hear something worse.
To put the problem succintly: What if your feelings tell you that life is no longer worth living?
The answer should be obvious: If you're wholly committed to such a mantra, that's the end of you.
Seek another answer McBurger.
Feelings and emotions alone are NOT a safe or wise guide in this world.
Re: Re: The gay flag is an anti-Christian symbol?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I'm not quite sure what you're asking here or what kind of response you're seeking.
I can't even be sure you read the article you posted beyond the title and first few lines, for the author outlined his case fairly well.Perhaps you disagree with his conclusion?
If so ... why? Is it because he cites a Biblical reason for it being so?The author outlines exactly what is purpose is:
"the goal of this article is to address the topic from a Christian perspective while comparing the events taking place to a biblical world-view"
... and then gets right down to doing so.
Exactly what problem are you having?
Personally, I'm of the opinion that, whether the so-called "Pride" flag is deliberate anti-Christian mockery or not, it is effective propaganda.
It disguises itself through a type of color symbology that should theoretically endear itself to the youngest members of society, which is exactly who you should target if you want to control the future.
It's bright! It's gay! It's cheerful and attractive and pleasant!
Rather like a child's Crayola's.
Or the really cool cakes and cookies you see at birthday parties.In terms of marketing alone, it's brilliant.
I truly wonder how people like yourself are affected.
Little that I've seen has convinced me that what is prevalent today is anything but the result of a steady media diet on impressionables.
An avalanche of TV advertising, print, news, etcetera, assaulting year after year after year.Nearly all of it preaching moral relativism and being "true" to yourself.
Only problem is, that's preached as following your feelings.
I note this advice given in several threads.
The most unusual and striking was probably the following, where I came across this response:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=610129
"Just go with whatever 'feels' right for you ..."?
THAT stopped me short.Because, as I may have said before, I've seen some of the other threads you started or have participated in.
"Just go with whatever 'feels' right for you ..."?
That's about the worst advice I can imagine someone giving a teen with your posting history.Are feelings a safe guide? Do they reflect true reality? Is it wise to follow them?
The answers to all of these questions is "no". But the average teenager is hard-pressed to realize that, let alone admit it, and given how mercurial and violent emotions can be, this advice can prove deadly.
"Whatever 'feels' right"? Doubtless the poster who wrote that meant well, but,
if that's not just about the most lethal advice ever, I'd like to hear something worse.To put the problem succintly: What if your feelings tell you that life is no longer worth living?
The answer should be obvious: If you're wholly committed to such a mantra, that's the end of you.
Seek another answer McBurger.
Feelings and emotions alone are NOT a safe or wise guide in this world.
Maybe if you stopped with your YOLO/follow-your-heart mentality and started using your brain for once, you'd have a different perspective about life.
When you learn how to control your emotions/feelings, that's when you grow up. Not everything in life goes your way. You can't make people "feel" the same way as you do. And what you "feel" you can do in one place, you can't necessarily do in another. bluewaterrider made some sense, for once.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Maybe if you stopped with your YOLO/follow-your-heart mentality and started using your brain for once, you'd have a different perspective about life.When you learn how to control your emotions/feelings, that's when you grow up. Not everything in life goes your way. You can't make people "feel" the same way as you do. And what you "feel" you can do in one place, you can't necessarily do in another. bluewaterrider made some sense, for once.