YAHWEH: The 3-in-1 God
Some of those of us who are Christians mistakenly believe that YAHWEH, the only real God in the universe, the God of Israel, is just the Father of the Holy Trinity. That belief however, is blatantly wrong. The 3 entities of the Holy Trinity-the Father, the Son (The Word, Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit-together make up the almighty creator YAHWEH. Here's an article on more info of the 3-in-1 nature of YAHWEH:
Re: YAHWEH: The 3-in-1 God
Originally posted by Star428God of the entire Universe, but an insignificant fraction of material, on an insignificant hunk of rock and metal, tucked away in an insignificant arm of an insignificant galaxy, in an insignificant cluster, is so important to him that it screams to be recognized on equal footing.
the only real God in the universe, the God of Israel
God is f*cking boring.
only real God in the universe
Says who? People? Nah, i dont buy it.
People are biased, fallable, ignorant (not stupid, ignorant)...they/we cant ever say for certain.
I take everything on faith with a grain of salt.
Whole religion is fun to debate and think about, no one can say they're 100% right without having a huge ego/blind spot.
Originally posted by Surtur
So if God is Jesus then why does anyone ever try to imply that Jesus dying on the cross was some big sacrifice for humanity on his part?
Probably because Jesus wasn't using "I can't die" power then and actually did experience death as a mortal man.
Also, if the text is to be believed, it was absolutely undeserved.
And it hurt.
A lot.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also God impregnated his own mother apparently then.
Or daughter, even.
Why didn't you go with "daughter"?
God was here first, right?
Tell me, Surtur, do you lie awake at night wondering how doctors get away with cutting men open in rooms full of witnesses?
Or why they aren't prosecuted regularly for assault with deadly weapons on unconscious and defenseless women?
But Jesus was immortal and rose again 3 days later. He lost a weekend, not his life. He wasn't the first person to endure pain for others, and those people didn't get to rise up again a few days later.
Also saying he got his daughter pregnant just makes it more creepy. But then if you consider any person a daughter or son of God then boy howdy has he murdered a lot of his kids. But hey he endured some pain for a bit so it's all good.
Originally posted by Surtur
But Jesus was immortal ...
Not when he got crucified, he wasn't.
Originally posted by Surtur
... and rose again 3 days later. He lost a weekend, not his life.
Bible says he lost his life.
As for "weekend", how much time did you want him to lose? The three days was a prophesied time. If he were to fulfill what was written about him, he couldn't allow years, months, or even weeks to pass.
Originally posted by Surtur
He wasn't the first person to endure pain for others, and those people didn't get to rise up again a few days later.
True, but the idea is that eventually some people WILL get to rise up again because of what Jesus did. Also, even the Bible supports the idea that the dead are unaware of what transpires even a moment after death.
Before, that is, the resurrection.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also saying he got his daughter pregnant just makes it more creepy. But then if you consider any person a daughter or son of God then boy howdy has he murdered a lot of his kids. But hey he endured some pain for a bit so it's all good.
I notice you completely ignored my question to you concerning doctors.
Understandably so. Whatever answer you gave to that would have to admit that there is a distinction even among people, let alone other beings, and that our language reflects that reality. A doctor cutting open people doesn't get charged with assault with a deadly weapon under normal conditions of course, because of who he is, and for what reason he's performing his actions. And how. There is a difference between surgery and a random stabbing for instance. The violent mugger on the street with a blade in hand is not comparable to Ben Carson working hard to save the life of a twin, for instance.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Probably because Jesus wasn't using "I can't die" power then and actually did experience death as a mortal man.
Also, if the text is to be believed, it was absolutely undeserved.And it hurt.
A lot.
Not to mention how humiliating it was also. People were laughing and spitting on Him and mocking Him. LOL@ Surtur's "he only lost a weekend" comment. He was tortured and died one of the worst ways a person can ever be killed. A very slow excruciatingly painful death. He was dead for three days. That's a FACT. He wasn't sleeping or just unconscious FFS. As far as troll posts go, Surtur's is one of the most stupid ridiculous ones I've ever read and it's why I long ago chose to ignore his comments on anything religion-related. It's my own fault I guess for reading your quote of him.
I didn't answer your question about doctors because it was just rambling nonsense. It doesn't prove any point, I'm not sure why you thought it did.
Jesus was immortal, he was never not immortal. If he was mortal he'd of never rose from the dead. If he was mortal he couldn't turn water into wine and walk on water.
Originally posted by Star428
Not to mention how humiliating it was also. People were laughing and spitting on Him and mocking Him. LOL@ Surtur's "he only lost a weekend" comment. He was tortured and died one of the worst ways a person can ever be killed. A very slow excruciatingly painful death. He was dead for three days. That's a FACT. He wasn't sleeping or just unconscious FFS. As far as troll posts go, Surtur's is one of the most stupid ridiculous ones I've ever read and it's why I long ago chose to ignore his comments on anything religion-related. It's my own fault I guess for reading your quote of him.
Oh boo hoo they spit and laughed. He lost a weekend, had magic powers, rose from the dead, etc.
He lost a weekend, he didn't sacrifice shit because he didn't have shit to lose. Otherwise he'd of stayed dead.
So please, we have people who have gone through far worse torture for far longer.
Originally posted by Surtur
Jesus was immortal, he was never not immortal. If he was mortal he'd of never rose from the dead. If he was mortal he couldn't turn water into wine and walk on water.
You may or may not benefit from reading the following.
http://holyspiritempowers.com/2013/07/jesus-spirit-empowered-man2/
Note that it is given in this post as a URL. If you wish, I can post it in a post after this as a link.
Please note that I am NOT directly endorsing EVERYTHING the author of this piece has to say.
I would also make the change, of course, that every time a Bible verse is quoted by the author, you look up the passage in a King James Version (KJV), and a reasonably aged version, not what is called the "New" King James Version.
http://holyspiritempowers.com/2013/07/jesus-spirit-empowered-man2/
Jesus WAS immortal, Surtur. But there WAS a time when he was NOT immortal.
You posit that, if Jesus was mortal, "he'd of never rose from the dead".
But you're forgetting the reverse: If Jesus was immortal, he'd of never DIED in the first place!
More than this, Jesus promised that his followers would be able to do the same things he did. That makes little sense if Jesus only did what he was able to do because he was divine. It makes perfect sense, however, if, Jesus operated as a man, albeit a sinless man, empowered by God the Holy Spirit.
Then, miraculous power would be something that could be visited upon Jesus from time to time and for various lengths of time.
Then it would make sense that God could forsake Jesus.
Then it would make sense that Jesus could experience things fully as a human being and truly empathize with human beings.
Then it makes sense that there could be things that, as Jesus, Jesus friend of Lazarus might at times not know, while (paraphrasing) "only the FATHER knows".
Then it makes sense Jesus could feel abandoned by God.
But, about the followers of Jesus again, the following makes little sense UNLESS Jesus was operating without recourse to his own un-share-able divine "cheat" ...
John 14:12Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
The relevant link of the URL given in my previous post, this time given AS a click-able blue hyperlink:
http://holyspiritempowers.com/2013/07/jesus-spirit-empowered-man2/
Jesus not only WAS immortal, He STILL is and always will be from now on but He most certainly was mortal when He was flesh and blood regardless of what Surtur thinks. The fact that He rose from the dead 3 days later as an immortal again does not change that fact. Actually, to be more precise, before He became flesh and blood, He was not known as "Jesus". He was known only as "The Word".