Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, this is not the same type of thread, even if you only made yours as an answer to this one.That white supremacists groups attack peaceful protesters in the US is the topic.
You're just showing your hypocrisy by not caring about this, but caring a lot about the other issue.
But see you and others came into this and your first comments were potentially shit stirring comments that could of caused this thread to get derailed, and you would then complain about people taking things off topic.
Like people mentioning shit about "oh people are worried about libraries" and "oh how can they call BLM hate groups?!". Come on now, those statements are just ripe for people to lead this into a different type of discussion.
But then other people get threads closed for stirring the shit.
Originally posted by SouthSpawn
And that's why I do not spend one once of time arguing with them.People once thought the world was flat!
If someone is willing to ignore proof.
Why argue with them.This is 2015. Not 1940.
Right again, but you are more or less forced to engage with these morons when they actually start acting out on the idea.
Originally posted by SouthSpawn
I am a black guy.People really need to stop saying white supremacists lol.
Because it signals to me that people actually "buy into" the "IDEA" of white supremacy. White supremacy is nothing but an "IDEA" that was made up by the same "INTELLECTUALS" that offer nothing but theories and pointless hypothesis.
Groups like the KKK and Neo Nazis buy into the idea, hence why they're 'white supremacist'. Naming them such doesn't empower them no more than naming 9/11 truthers or hollow earth believers as such.
Though I can somewhat see your point, I still think it's offset by acknowledging that this extreme level of racism exist and showing its ugliness. Because these guys are not your garden variety racist that will say the n-word around his/her friends, but then be polite to black people he/she comes in contact with.
Originally posted by Surtur
But see you and others came into this and your first comments were potentially shit stirring comments that could of caused this thread to get derailed, and you would then complain about people taking things off topic.Like people mentioning shit about "oh people are worried about libraries" and "oh how can they call BLM hate groups?!". Come on now, those statements are just ripe for people to lead this into a different type of discussion.
But then other people get threads closed for stirring the shit.
Yes, this is a discussion between two opposing sides, this is exactly what I said. I don't view it as shit stirring so much, it's one side showing their points which they find ridiculous about the other side.
tbh, your reply seems completely unrelated to anything I said, and to anything that happened here regarding the two threads either.
No because the shit you say could easily bridge into a discussion that has zero to do with the topic.
So for instance we could get into the finer points of hate groups and why a hate group doesn't need to be murdering people in the streets to be a hate group.
Do you want to do that? We can turn this into a discussion about what makes a group a hate group. Of course the original point of the thread would be lost, but meh we can certainly go that route.
But see a hate group doesn't have to gun down people to be a hate group. Also some groups have people who claim to be a part of the group, but do hateful shit.
Or we can go into more detail about the library thing since that apparently needed to be mentioned too, even though nobody equated it to violence on the level of killing people.
Which topic do you want to discuss in here first?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, I would like to talk about the ridiculous and racist people that label peaceful groups as hate groups to further their own agenda, when there are actual hate groups, violent hate groups, that target the peaceful people that are being vilified.
LOL. BLM is a hate group. That's a fact. I saw a video on FOX news of them chanting "Dead Cops!" when the speaker with the mic kept asking them "What do you want!?". And please, don't bring your "FOX news can't be trusted" bullshit in reply to this. CNN and other liberal news media sources are the ones that can't be trusted. 👆
They're the ones who tried their darndest to make people believe the Oregon shooter was white. Then, of course, there's that video that black member of the movement made on You Tube about killing cops. Thankfully, her ass was arrested for it though.
Originally posted by SurturI would argue at the very least the BLM is on topic in this thread considering their members were the targets.
No because the shit you say could easily bridge into a discussion that has zero to do with the topic.So for instance we could get into the finer points of hate groups and why a hate group doesn't need to be murdering people in the streets to be a hate group.
Do you want to do that? We can turn this into a discussion about what makes a group a hate group. Of course the original point of the thread would be lost, but meh we can certainly go that route.
So I think it is a fair discussion point to talk about how they are the victims of actual hate/racism vs the accusations of them being labeled a racist group.
Originally posted by Newjak
I would argue at the very least the BLM is on topic in this thread considering their members were the targets.So I think it is a fair discussion point to talk about how they are the victims of actual hate/racism vs the accusations of them being labeled a racist group.
But this makes no sense at all because they are both the victims and perpetrators of racism. At least some of the members are.
And see? Just look at the asinine reply right above me. Despite nobody ever saying shooting people were the same thing as saying shit..merely point out that shouting racist shit at people isn't that peaceful.
These are the same people who bash others for using strawman tactics, etc.
Originally posted by Star428HYG:http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the-truth-about-the-dead-cops-chant
LOL. BLM is a hate group. That's a fact. I saw a video on FOX news of them chanting "Dead Cops!" when the speaker with the mic kept asking them "What do you want!?". And please, don't bring your "FOX news can't be trusted" bullshit in reply to this. CNN and other liberal news media sources are the ones that can't be trusted. 👆
"The chant I didn't hear on Dec. 13 was the one captured on a cell phone video and uttered by a small group numbering a few dozen, marching in a cluster behind a makeshift banner:
"What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!"
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, this seems to be a recurring problem in many groups. And I am not really sure what's the best way to tackle it.
I think we need to look at prevalence. Because no big enough group can possibly have no shitty members. However when looking at the track record of a group, what do they say they stand for, what have they done for their cause, how many bad people are among them, how are they dealt with, etc.
Like maybe the KKK has 2 or 3 nice people in it that just stumbled into the a racist group, but they are obviously a hate group from what they stand for, what they have done, and what most of their followers believe and do. BLM on the other hand, has a couple bad apples (and the extent to how bad they are is allegedly making a girl cry ), but on the whole they've been peaceful and they stand for raising awareness about racially biased police violence...so not at all a hate group.
Originally posted by Robtard
HYG:http://www.msnbc.com/the-reid-report/the-truth-about-the-dead-cops-chant
oh so it's just another load of bullshit that racists made up in order to play the victim. how shocking.