Quinlan Vos vs mace windu, obi wan, Luminara Unduli wisdom only

Originally posted by Trocity
Worst thread of the year candidate.

one, star wars goes to great length to talk about the wisdom of the jedi.

so wisdom is a valid trait in the star wars universe.

2 this is wisdom

wisdom

wis·dom
ˈwizdəm/
noun
noun: wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.
"some questioned the wisdom of building the dam so close to an active volcano"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.[1] Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action. It often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions"😉 so that the universal principle of reason prevails to determine one's action. In short, wisdom is a disposition to find the truth coupled with an optimum judgement as to what actions should be taken

he Oxford English Dictionary defines wisdom as "Capacity of judging rightly in matters relating to life and conduct; soundness of judgement in the choice of means and ends; sometimes, less strictly, sound sense, esp. in practical affairs: opp. to folly;" also "Knowledge (esp. of a high or abstruse kind); enlightenment, learning, erudition."[2] Charles Haddon Spurgeon defined wisdom as "the right use of knowledge".[3] Robert I. Sutton and Andrew Hargadon defined the "attitude of wisdom" as "acting with knowledge while doubting what one knows".[4]

Wisdom and knowledge have different meanings, but are often portrayed as synonyms. This is corrected by giving an example: it's wise to run a successful business because wisdom includes action. It's nothing more than smart to write a business plan proposing a successful business because knowledge is strictly cognitive. The difference in knowledge is knowing it; wisdom is doing it.[5]

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if discussing wisdom is beyond your comprehension, that is your limitation, not the thread.

in short, star wars makes wisdom a relevant criteria of the jedi and 2, we can evaluate the wisdom of the jedi based on the DEFINITION of what wisdom is and what it means.

again if that is beyond your level of comprehension, and that is above your pay grade, that is your own shortcoming

Originally posted by |King Joker|
LMFAO @ this thread holy shit

Originally posted by Trocity
Worst thread of the year candidate.

one, star wars goes to great length to talk about the wisdom of the jedi.

so wisdom is a valid trait in the star wars universe.

2 this is wisdom

wisdom

wis·dom
ˈwizdəm/
noun
noun: wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.
"some questioned the wisdom of building the dam so close to an active volcano"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.[1] Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action. It often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions"😉 so that the universal principle of reason prevails to determine one's action. In short, wisdom is a disposition to find the truth coupled with an optimum judgement as to what actions should be taken

he Oxford English Dictionary defines wisdom as "Capacity of judging rightly in matters relating to life and conduct; soundness of judgement in the choice of means and ends; sometimes, less strictly, sound sense, esp. in practical affairs: opp. to folly;" also "Knowledge (esp. of a high or abstruse kind); enlightenment, learning, erudition."[2] Charles Haddon Spurgeon defined wisdom as "the right use of knowledge".[3] Robert I. Sutton and Andrew Hargadon defined the "attitude of wisdom" as "acting with knowledge while doubting what one knows".[4]

Wisdom and knowledge have different meanings, but are often portrayed as synonyms. This is corrected by giving an example: it's wise to run a successful business because wisdom includes action. It's nothing more than smart to write a business plan proposing a successful business because knowledge is strictly cognitive. The difference in knowledge is knowing it; wisdom is doing it.[5]

^

if discussing wisdom is beyond your comprehension, that is your limitation, not the thread.

in short, star wars makes wisdom a relevant criteria of the jedi and 2, we can evaluate the wisdom of the jedi based on the DEFINITION of what wisdom is and what it means.

again if that is beyond your level of comprehension, and that is above your pay grade, that is your own shortcoming

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

This post is actually approaching the retardation of the thread. [/B]

Originally posted by Trocity
Worst thread of the year candidate. [/B]

one, star wars goes to great length to talk about the wisdom of the jedi.

so wisdom is a valid trait in the star wars universe.

2 this is wisdom

wisdom

wis·dom
ˈwizdəm/
noun
noun: wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.
"some questioned the wisdom of building the dam so close to an active volcano"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.[1] Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action. It often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions"😉 so that the universal principle of reason prevails to determine one's action. In short, wisdom is a disposition to find the truth coupled with an optimum judgement as to what actions should be taken

he Oxford English Dictionary defines wisdom as "Capacity of judging rightly in matters relating to life and conduct; soundness of judgement in the choice of means and ends; sometimes, less strictly, sound sense, esp. in practical affairs: opp. to folly;" also "Knowledge (esp. of a high or abstruse kind); enlightenment, learning, erudition."[2] Charles Haddon Spurgeon defined wisdom as "the right use of knowledge".[3] Robert I. Sutton and Andrew Hargadon defined the "attitude of wisdom" as "acting with knowledge while doubting what one knows".[4]

Wisdom and knowledge have different meanings, but are often portrayed as synonyms. This is corrected by giving an example: it's wise to run a successful business because wisdom includes action. It's nothing more than smart to write a business plan proposing a successful business because knowledge is strictly cognitive. The difference in knowledge is knowing it; wisdom is doing it.[5]

^

if discussing wisdom is beyond your comprehension, that is your limitation, not the thread.

in short, star wars makes wisdom a relevant criteria of the jedi and 2, we can evaluate the wisdom of the jedi based on the DEFINITION of what wisdom is and what it means.

again if that is beyond your level of comprehension, and that is above your pay grade, that is your own shortcoming

Vos murdered his best friend for a booty call...

Even though he could've ****ed Ventress without killing him.

Vos is a retard.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Vos murdered his best friend for a booty call...

Even though he could've ****ed Ventress without killing him.

Vos is a retard.

he was tasked by the jedi council to go undercover to assassinate dooku and that was part of his cover. to convince dooku hes gone dark side.

jedi did debate the wisdom of doing it but when ahead and tasked vos to do it by partnering with asajj and learning the dark side

Originally posted by redpill
yet when ordered to they showed NO EMPATHY to their victims. which Vos in his wisdom clearly discrned.

Clones not only killed jedi and younglings but anyone helping them like wookies.

Vos saw that. the other jedi did not.

Vos is wiser

Again irrelevant. Aspects out of their control and still not seeing how this si wisdom for Vos since all he did was make an opinion just like everyone that at the end of the day was actaully wrong. The clones had emotions, they in fact go in several ways showing they are actual people with actaul feelings and such.

Again irrelevant.

Vos just said they lacked empathy. That's not wisdom.

Based on what. Based on the defintions you provided all of the Jedi on team 2 solo because they have more experience, Obi wan, and Mace are both on the Jedi council and Unduli is defintily respected for her methods and teachingsVis isn't so they beat him again thier, if we go by what you described Mace is the wisest of them all because he had explicit mistrust in Anakin, and in Sidious and was one of the first to propose to kill Dooku, Obi wan was also weary of Palaptine so was the entire coucnil except Aankin, so he's anyone on team 2 can solo. The rest in your defintions honestly don't go here due to Mace and Obi and Unduli and Vos being In a position to where they have to think and can't just act most of the time.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Again irrelevant. Aspects out of their control and still not seeing how this si wisdom for Vos since all he did was make an opinion just like everyone that at the end of the day was actaully wrong. The clones had emotions, they in fact go in several ways showing they are actual people with actaul feelings and such.

Again irrelevant.

Vos just said they lacked empathy. That's not wisdom.

let's revisit the definition yet again

wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.[1] Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action.

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1 - Legends Vos said Clone troopers lack empathy. Legends Vos does not think it is wise to have clones

2 Vos statement that clones are dangerous bioweapons bred for war alone and only loyaty is the republic and lack empathy is a statement of Vos' judgment

3 the course of events validate Vos judgment as evidence by events of order 66 and beyond

4 Vos is the only jedi to express such reservation, not even yoda mace obi wan expressed such concerns

5 Vos shows special insight into the nature of clones. No other jedi showed such insight. Not yoda not mace not obi wan not luminar undulli

6 the dictionary definition of wisdom is "Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight"

7 Vos therefore shows special wisdom on the wiseness and soundness of using clones. Vos is the only jedi in legends or canon to show this.

let's get something clear, if this were real life and a security firm hires bank robbers to guard a bank vault, and those bank robbers then rob a bank vault, would that be wisdom?

the jedi worked with clones and aside from legends vos, no jedi thought that could be a problem but order 66 showed the surprise was complete

legends vos had insight, a unique insight, that the course of events showed he was right.

by definition of wisdom, vos is wise.

mace yoda obi wan luminar undulli et al, trusted the clones. they had no insight no clue about what clones would eventually do.

not wise.

Originally posted by redpill
let's revisit the definition yet again

wisdom

the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.

Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight.[1] Wisdom has been regarded as one of four cardinal virtues; and as a virtue, it is a habit or disposition to perform the action with the highest degree of adequacy under any given circumstance. This implies a possession of knowledge or the seeking of knowledge to apply to the given circumstance. This involves an understanding of people, objects, events, situations, and the willingness as well as the ability to apply perception, judgement, and action in keeping with the understanding of what is the optimal course of action.

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1 - Legends Vos said Clone troopers lack empathy. Legends Vos does not think it is wise to have clones

2 Vos statement that clones are dangerous bioweapons bred for war alone and only loyaty is the republic and lack empathy is a statement of Vos' judgment

3 the course of events validate Vos judgment as evidence by events of order 66 and beyond

4 Vos is the only jedi to express such reservation, not even yoda mace obi wan expressed such concerns

5 Vos shows special insight into the nature of clones. No other jedi showed such insight. Not yoda not mace not obi wan not luminar undulli

6 the dictionary definition of wisdom is "Wisdom is the ability to think and act using knowledge, experience, understanding, common sense, and insight"

7 Vos therefore shows special wisdom on the wiseness and soundness of using clones. Vos is the only jedi in legends or canon to show this.

let's get something clear, if this were real life and a security firm hires bank robbers to guard a bank vault, and those bank robbers then rob a bank vault, would that be wisdom?

the jedi worked with clones and aside from legends vos, no jedi thought that could be a problem but order 66 showed the surprise was complete

legends vos had insight, a unique insight, that the course of events showed he was right.

by definition of wisdom, vos is wise.

mace yoda obi wan luminar undulli et al, trusted the clones. they had no insight no clue about what clones would eventually do.

not wise.

So by your definition anyone on team 2 can solo as they all have more experience knowledge, way better judgement, and all act on those virtues. Glad you agree.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by your definition anyone on team 2 can solo as they all have more experience knowledge, way better judgement, and all act on those virtues. Glad you agree.

everyone on team 2 agreed to the use of clones, which resulted in the total destruction of the jedi order.

the surviving jedi from das jenir to kanan jarus to obi wan and yoda considered that to be a mistake.

legends vos correctly anticipated that clones would be a problem due to them lacking empathy and being bred for war lone, which is exactly how events unfolded. vos is the only tcw era jedi to anticipate this.

both das jenir and kanan jarrus have comics in which they personally witness clones turning against them. the other jedi we saw fallin ROTS to the clones.

in rots we saw clones attempt to kill yoda and obi wan.

vos alone saw potential problems with clones as they lack empathy and are bred for war alone. thats wisdom for you

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by your definition anyone on team 2 can solo as they all have more experience knowledge, way better judgement, and all act on those virtues. Glad you agree.

are you familiar with dark horse Republic ?

quinlan vos was trained in intelligence and counter-intelligence, espionage and counter-espionage, was exposed to separatists critique of the Republic - which kanan and dass jenir realized were true after order 66- and was the target of clone attacks. recall commander bly wanted to shoot to kill vos on the spot.

vos believed the republic had fallen under the influence of the sith, his quest was to find this second sith, and as a result, he did not trust clones, and questioned the jedi orders support for the republic.

given how things actually played out, vos was right.

several members of team 2 were killed by clones and none thought their one-sided support of the republic and use of clones is a problem.

redpill I have one:

DarthAnt66 Vs You debating

Ant roflstomps 11/10.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
redpill I have one:

DarthAnt66 Vs You debating

Ant roflstomps 11/10.

have at it then.

would you mind explaining to me in your own words what the clones did to the jedi after order 66 was issued?

what were the series of decisions on the part of the jedi that lead to that disaster?

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Irrelevant. All show greater insight and knowledge than Vos. Vos is a hot head, with not much wisdom.

oh really?

here we see yoda with clones

here we see clones killing jedi

clones killed jedi. did any jedi foresee this possibility?

Originally posted by Trocity
Mace never trusting Anakin >>> being skeptical of the clones tbh.

um remember scene in ROTS

anakin tells mace he will need his help, the chancellor was very powerful.

mace did not trust anakin.

result: sidious destroys b-team and ultimately mace is destroyed and anakin turns.

conclusions mace should have trusted anakin in this moment.

mace, anakin i trust you. come with me along with kit fisto kolar tinn and we will all of us arrest chancellor. you persuade him to surrender.

anakin thanks for trusting me!

Why exactly-or...How exactly did Vos become a Master in the Legends canon?

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Why exactly-or...How exactly did Vos become a Master in the Legends canon?

iirc after he killed volfe karkko and rescued aayla in darkness

Originally posted by redpill
iirc after he killed volfe karkko and rescued aayla in darkness

Don't wanna know what it took in the current canon. In Dark Disciple he's basically out of character for the entire book. I like many others, like to pretend TCW/DD Vos never happened.

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Don't wanna know what it took in the current canon. In Dark Disciple he's basically out of character for the entire book. I like many others, like to pretend TCW/DD Vos never happened.

vos like neo took the redpill 🤣

Originally posted by TheNuisanceBird
Don't wanna know what it took in the current canon. In Dark Disciple he's basically out of character for the entire book. I like many others, like to pretend TCW/DD Vos never happened.

I agree. Vos beating Dooku was completely out of no where. His skill set was never and should ever have been that good. I did however like TCW.

Yoda and Kenobi were the wisest and greatest Jedi of the PT era. Windu was too closed minded Imo.

I guess Luminara had that wise and calm presence to her.

Vos was an idiot who was more interested in screwing Ventress than helping the Jedi.