Is Ben Kenobi the ultimate Jedi ?

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Originally posted by Sinious
I just think Yoda had a better understanding of the Force than any other Jedi and also had the wisest perspective on things. Luke's more earthly approach may have helped him deal with certain issues more efficiently but other than that, I don't think he was closer to being the perfect Jedi than Yoda.
Yoda did have more experience and had multiple centuries to perfect his understanding I just believe Luke is. I can't forgive Yoda's failure over the Emperor and Luke's eventual triumph through the inspiration of his shitty father as better evidence of it being Luke. We will see what an older, more experienced Luke Skywalker is capable of.

The ultimate Jedi is Yoda.

Yoda's been simply wrong too many times to really be considered the #1 Jedi. His disregard for Anakin's problems directly led to Anakin turning to Palpatine for help, as Anakin felt that he had no other options to save Padme. Yoda thought that Vader was beyond redemption and wanted Luke to destroy both him and the Emperor, not realizing that doing so would have turned Luke to the dark side and perpetuated the cycle of conflict between the dark and the light.

In general, by virtue of being the leader of the Jedi he was responsible for enforcing the self-defeating virtues the Jedi idealized that ultimately led to their destruction. He's undoubtedly one of the top characters in the mythos in regards to possessing knowledge of the force itself, but on an interpersonal level Yoda was kind of a retard who didn't seem to really "get" human/sentient-nature.

This is Obi-Wan Kenobi:
A phenomenal pilot who doesn't like to fly. A devastating warrior who'd rather not fight. A negotiator without peer who frankly prefers to sit alone in a quiet cave and meditate.
Jedi Master. General in the Grand Army of the Republic. Member of the Jedi Council. And yet, inside, he feels like he's none of these things.
Inside, he still feels like a Padawan.
It is a truism of the Jedi Order that a Jedi Knight's education truly begins only when he becomes a Master: that everything im- portant about being a Master is learned from one's student. Obi- Wan feels the truth of this every day.
He sometimes dreams of when he was a Padawan in fact as well as feeling; he dreams that his own Master, Qui-Gon Jinn, did not die at the plasma-fueled generator core in Theed. He dreams that his Master's wise guiding hand is still with him. But Qui-Gon's death is an old pain, one with which he long ago came to terms.
A Jedi does not cling to the past.
And Obi-Wan Kenobi knows, too, that to have lived his life without being Master to Anakin Skywalker would have left him a different man. A lesser man.
Anakin has taught him so much.
Obi-Wan sees so much of Qui-Gon in Anakin that sometimes it hurts his heart; at the very least, Anakin mirrors Qui-Gon's flair for the dramatic, and his casual disregard for rules. Training Anakin—and fighting beside him, all these years—has unlocked something inside Obi-Wan. It's as though Anakin has rubbed off on him a bit, and has loosened that clenched-jaw insistence on absolute correctness that Qui-Gon always said was his greatest flaw.
Obi-Wan Kenobi has learned to relax.
He smiles now, and sometimes even jokes, and has become known for the wisdom gentle humor can provide. Though he does not know it, his relationship with Anakin has molded him into the great Jedi Qui-Gon always said he might someday be.
It is characteristic of Obi-Wan that he is entirely unaware of this.
Being named to the Council came as a complete surprise; even now, he is sometimes astonished by the faith the Jedi Coun-
cil has in his abilities, and the credit they give to his wisdom. Greatness was never his ambition. He wants only to perform whatever task he is given to the best of his ability.
He is respected throughout the Jedi Order for his insight as well as his warrior skill. He has become the hero of the next generation of Padawans; he is the Jedi their Masters hold up as a model. He is the being that the Council assigns to their most important missions. He is modest, centered, and always kind.
He is the ultimate Jedi.
And he is proud to be Anakin Skywalker's best friend.

From Revenge of the Sith Novel

Originally posted by Lord Stark
The ultimate Jedi is Yoda.

If by ultimate you mean powerful, then I'd agree. Beyond that, I'd say Yoda's personal arc in the story is to be one of abject failure. it ultimately makes him a better character I think, and it's pretty compelling.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
The ultimate Jedi is Yoda.
Ultimate failure.