Darth Tyranus vs RotS suited Darth Vader

Started by EmperorSidious23 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we see his skill level with a saber is better than Kenobi's but his movement speed is clearly slower. Also cease and desist with the ad hominem attacks.

Tyranus moves impossibly fast:

Obi-Wan understood immediately, even before he noted Anakin’s blue blade coming up and over the other way-the green blade would push the Count’s lightsaber out of the way, clearing the path for the victorious strike!

But Dooku retracted impossibly fast, and Anakin’s down-cutting green blade hit nothing but air.

Source: Attack of the Clones
Dooku kicks Anakin before dismantled pieces of Super Battle Droid could even hit the floor, then transitions it into a blindingly fast spinning kick that hits Obi-Wan with a crack as if he had broken Obi-Wan's neck:

Kenobi reached the top of the stairs and a single slash of his lightsaber dismantled both droids. Before their pieces could even hit the floor Dooku was in motion, landing a spinning side-stamp that folded Skywalker in half; he used his last burst of dark power to continue his spin into a blindingly fast wheel-kick that brought his heel against the point of Kenobi's chin with a crack like the report of a huge-bore slugthrower, knocking the Jedi Master back down the stairs. Sounded like he'd broken his neck. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Source: Revenge of the Sith
He moves faster than Obi-Wan:

The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.

Source: The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader
He fills Obi-Wan's entire line of vision with the light of his blade, making it appear to be everywhere at once:

As Obi-Wan gave ground, Dooku quickened the pace. His every move was economical and elegant; his lightsaber seemed to be everywhere. Obi-Wan remembered Jocasta Nu telling him, With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. Now he could see what she meant. Unfortunately.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

He moves faster than Obi wan. Moves faster. Not seeing where there is room for misinterpretation here.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Tyranus moves impossibly fast:

Obi-Wan understood immediately, even before he noted Anakin’s blue blade coming up and over the other way-the green blade would push the Count’s lightsaber out of the way, clearing the path for the victorious strike!

But Dooku retracted impossibly fast, and Anakin’s down-cutting green blade hit nothing but air.

Source: Attack of the Clones
Dooku kicks Anakin before dismantled pieces of Super Battle Droid could even hit the floor, then transitions it into a blindingly fast spinning kick that hits Obi-Wan with a crack as if he had broken Obi-Wan's neck:

Kenobi reached the top of the stairs and a single slash of his lightsaber dismantled both droids. Before their pieces could even hit the floor Dooku was in motion, landing a spinning side-stamp that folded Skywalker in half; he used his last burst of dark power to continue his spin into a blindingly fast wheel-kick that brought his heel against the point of Kenobi's chin with a crack like the report of a huge-bore slugthrower, knocking the Jedi Master back down the stairs. Sounded like he'd broken his neck. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Source: Revenge of the Sith
He moves faster than Obi-Wan:

The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.

Source: The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader
He fills Obi-Wan's entire line of vision with the light of his blade, making it appear to be everywhere at once:

As Obi-Wan gave ground, Dooku quickened the pace. His every move was economical and elegant; his lightsaber seemed to be everywhere. Obi-Wan remembered Jocasta Nu telling him, With a lightsaber, in the old style of fencing, he had no match. Now he could see what she meant. Unfortunately.

Source: Attack of the Clones Junior Novelization

He moves faster than Obi wan. Moves faster. Not seeing where there is room for misinterpretation here.

Hyperbole. And this is about his manuverability not his saber skills.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole. And this is about his manuverability not his saber skills.

No,no no. It's not exaggerating. He moved faster than Obi wan. The text explitly states he moved faster. This about speed period. He's faster than Kenobi.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No,no no. It's not exaggerating. He moved faster than Obi wan. The text explitly states he moved faster. This about speed period. He's faster than Kenobi.
With his saber, obviously. He isn't faster than Kenobi movement wise.

Originally posted by quanchi112
With his saber, obviously. He isn't faster than Kenobi movement wise.

Then it goes on to say I possibly fast and moves faster than Kenobi in movement.

He moves faster than Obi-Wan:

The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.

Source: The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Then it goes on to say I possibly fast and moves faster than Kenobi in movement.

He moves faster than Obi-Wan:

The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.

Source: The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader

Faster with his hands and saber not movement wise. You are not getting it. I'm afraid you never will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Faster with his hands and saber not movement wise. You are not getting it. I'm afraid you never will.

Well it says in the text faster than Kenobi and explains how so really it is you who will never get it. Dooku is faster than him. Dooku is faster than you think. He's faster than Maul Obi wan, Fisto, koon, Ventress, savage, and many other Jedi.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Well it says in the text faster than Kenobi and explains how so really it is you who will never get it. Dooku is faster than him. Dooku is faster than you think. He's faster than Maul Obi wan, Fisto, koon, Ventress, savage, and many other Jedi.
Dooku is faster with a Lightsaber and more powerful with the force but movement wise he isn't faster.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is true. Vader is quick with a Lightsaber but maneuverability wise quite slow. Same principles apply to Dooku.

Did you even watch my linked videos? Dooku is doing barrel rolls in the air while fighting two of the most skilled jedi. He out maneuvers Kenobi not with his saber, but with his physical body and throws him around like a fool. Likewise he's dodging multiple attacks from Ventress's double sabers unarmed. Cmon man

Originally posted by Kurk
Did you even watch my linked videos? Dooku is doing barrel rolls in the air while fighting two of the most skilled jedi. He out maneuvers Kenobi not with his saber, but with his physical body and throws him around like a fool. Likewise he's dodging multiple attacks from Ventress's double sabers unarmed. Cmon man

Don't bother, it's like talking to a brick wall. He ignores evidence in favour of his own rankings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dooku is faster with a Lightsaber and more powerful with the force but movement wise he isn't faster.

Prove it. I've shown you the text where it says he moves faster than Obi wan in movement wise. Also here is something for you. Yoda is faster than Obi wan and Dooku was able to match his speed.

Originally posted by Kurk
Did you even watch my linked videos? Dooku is doing barrel rolls in the air while fighting two of the most skilled jedi. He out maneuvers Kenobi not with his saber, but with his physical body and throws him around like a fool. Likewise he's dodging multiple attacks from Ventress's double sabers unarmed. Cmon man
He isn't as slow as a slug but he clearly isn't as fast as Kenobi is. Not saying he can't move in the right direction at the right time. Hell, we see Vader do it despite him being portrayed as a slower and more powerful Sith Lord. Ventress' skill just isn't up to par with Dooku's. His force powers are also superior to hers. We also see Dooku's lack of speed significantly noted against Vos.

WTF is this? Immediately after getting in his suit Vader can barely walk...

Give him some time to adjust and it's a good fight. By the time of LotS, Vader should win decisively.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't as slow as a slug but he clearly isn't as fast as Kenobi is. Not saying he can't move in the right direction at the right time. Hell, we see Vader do it despite him being portrayed as a slower and more powerful Sith Lord. Ventress' skill just isn't up to par with Dooku's. His force powers are also superior to hers. We also see Dooku's lack of speed significantly noted against Vos.

No he isn't as fast as Kenobi he is faster. Dooku is also faster than Ventress. Still haven't proven text says he is faster so this is a concession on your part.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
No he isn't as fast as Kenobi he is faster. Dooku is also faster than Ventress. Still haven't proven text says he is faster so this is a concession on your part.
Not faster maneuverability wise but better Lightsaber skills.

Irony.

My Favourite Sith is Dooku. But I have to say Vader will beat him.

Quan...what makes you think Dooku is slower than Kenobi?

Dooku stomps in every round

Originally posted by McP
Dooku stomps in every round

Also this.

Bump just to humiliate Quanchi