KT's overall correct, not everyone is born equal. Great painters/artist are a good example, someone born without artistic talent could definitely train themselves to be better artist, but they'll never match the ones who were penciling out impressive pictures in the 5th grade while their classmates where still drawing stick figures. The outliers not making the rule.
Not every runner can be Usain Bolt, even with intensive training and using drug assistance.
Originally posted by RobtardI don't think that's a good comparison to make, Zod learnt how to fly pretty well within minutes.
KT's overall correct, not everyone is born equal. Great painters/artist are a good example, someone born without artistic talent could definitely train themselves to be better artist, but they'll never match the ones who were penciling out impressive pictures in the 5th grade while their classmates where still drawing stick figures. The outliers not making the rule.Not every runner can be Usain Bolt, even with intensive training and using drug assistance.
Clark did it fairly quick too.
I don't think Rob's claiming Faora can't fly or learn how to fly. We were just discussing a side topic of sorts to that one. I also believe Faora would eventually be able to fly, but as Rob says, it might not be as fast or as well. Maybe it would be, but one thing is for certain, she didn't take the same logic leap Zod did to try. Which is kind of the point.
Regardless, for purposes of this thread she can fly
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I don't think that's a good comparison to make, Zod learnt how to fly pretty well within minutes.Clark did it fairly quick too.
I wasn't using it to reference fictional characters, just a side (and off-topic) comment on humanity in relation to what KT was saying.
In regards to Zod though, his abilities to overcome the sensory overload disability and learn how to fly in a day, where it took Clark years was due to Zod's genetic advantages of being a bred warrior (and years of training), while Clark was the first non-genetically tampered baby born in generations, as per Jor-El's comments (they made a baby the natural way). IMO, if Faora had lasted, she wouldn't have been far behind as she was genetically made in the warrior caste like Zod.
edit: basically what KT said above.
Originally posted by RobtardMy take on it was that it took so much for Clark to fly because his body wasn't capable up to that point.
I wasn't using it to reference fictional characters, just a side (and off-topic) comment on humanity in relation to what KT was saying.In regards to Zod though, his abilities to overcome the sensory overload disability and learn how to fly in a day, where it took Clark years was due to Zod's genetic advantages of being a bred warrior (and years of training), while Clark was the first non-genetically tampered baby born in generations, as per Jor-El's comments (they made a baby the natural way). IMO, if Faora had lasted, she wouldn't have been far behind as she was genetically made in the warrior caste like Zod.
edit: basically what KT said above.
Once he reached adulthood and started to actually push himself further Clark learned how to fly properly in a short span of time.
I see your point though and Zod's quick adaptability could also be attributed to his genes as a bred warrior, in which case, that *should* also apply to Faora, imo.
PD: Oh, ok then. 👆
Originally posted by RobtardSure, thats true when you take it to the extremes. As I've noted, no one is arguing that anyone in the world can become Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee. That doesn't mean they still cant be damn good at what they do. You guys focused too much on NotAllThatEvils phrasing and completely missed the argument he was trying to make
KT's overall correct, not everyone is born equal. Great painters/artist are a good example, someone born without artistic talent could definitely train themselves to be better artist, but they'll never match the ones who were penciling out impressive pictures in the 5th grade while their classmates where still drawing stick figures. The outliers not making the rule.Not every runner can be Usain Bolt, even with intensive training and using drug assistance.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I don't believe that "anyone could be Bruce Lee" is the actual argument he was trying to make. He's trying to argue that people can become one of the best in a chosen subject through dedication, practice, and progress. He just messed up the fact that flying in MoS clearly doesn't take the same level of dedication or learning, which is what I refuted when I quoted him.
Originally posted by RobtardTo be fair to Clark, he was a kid when the whole sensory overload thing happened. He got flying relatively quickly at least.
I wasn't using it to reference fictional characters, just a side (and off-topic) comment on humanity in relation to what KT was saying.In regards to Zod though, his abilities to overcome the sensory overload disability and learn how to fly in a day, where it took Clark years was due to Zod's genetic advantages of being a bred warrior (and years of training), while Clark was the first non-genetically tampered baby born in generations, as per Jor-El's comments (they made a baby the natural way). IMO, if Faora had lasted, she wouldn't have been far behind as she was genetically made in the warrior caste like Zod.
edit: basically what KT said above.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Sure, thats true when you take it to the extremes. As I've noted, no one is arguing that anyone in the world can become Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee. That doesn't mean they still cant be damn good at what they do. You guys focused too much on NotAllThatEvils phrasing and completely missed the argument he was trying to makeTo be fair to Clark, he was a kid when the whole sensory overload thing happened. He got flying relatively quickly at least.
For sure, I noted that basically anyone can improve in a field with enough effort, even if they're not naturally talented in it. I wasn't focusing on anything really, just commenting on a portion of the off-topic exchange.
Yeah, that is true. Just pointing out what the film laid out for us in regards to Zod, the genetic-crafting Kryptonians use and Clark being created through the natural process of penis-in-vagina.
iirc, in the DVD commentary it was noted that while Clark was overall more powerful due to his decades of being under YSR, Zod (and crew) held his own due to his training and Krypto-eugenics. Never saw it myself, read it somewhere, can't recall where.
Originally posted by RobtardThe skill gap between Clark and the other Kryptonians was big enough to make up for a power gap resulting from years of being under the yellow sun? If thats true, thats f*cking awesome and makes Zod and the other Kryptonians that much more impressive.
For sure, I noted that basically anyone can improve in a field with enough effort, even if they're not naturally talented in it. I wasn't focusing on anything really, just commenting on a portion of the off-topic exchange.Yeah, that is true. Just pointing out what the film laid out for us in regards to Zod, the genetic-crafting Kryptonians use and Clark being created through the natural process of penis-in-vagina.
iirc, in the DVD commentary it was noted that while Clark was overall more powerful due to his decades of being under YSR, Zod (and crew) held his own due to his training and Krypto-eugenics. Never saw it myself, read it somewhere, can't recall where.
Makes me wonder how Supergirl is adapting to life under the yellow sun after MoS
As Zod said: "I was bred to be a warrior, Kal. Trained my entire life to master my senses. Where did you train? ON A FARM?" Then Jor-El's comments about Clark soaking up the sun and earth's nourishing atmosphere for years and years. Faora also commented how Clark's genetically inferior, likely referencing that he's a vagina-baby.
If the hints are true, she's been on earth for a very long time. Remember she was on (per the comic) the crashed seed ship and one of the hibernation pods was opened without a dead body inside when Clark first entered.
There's rumor's that Diana/WW is actually some sort of krytonian-human hybrid and that Kara started the Amazons. Fan speculation.
Your examples of doctors and Bruce Lee are irrelevant and inaccurate. You confuse skill with innate ability. Being a doctor or skilled fighter requires years of training, knowledge and experience (and genetics to be the best). Flying to kryptonians is as natural as talking is to humans. Clark needed some practice and Zod "unlocked" the ability through will alone. I never said Faora would be the "best flyer" whatever that means, merely that she would be able to fly given time and the awareness that she actually had this ability.
my point being that a flying faora is a completely hypothetical figure. If it was just standard movie faora we could argue that vision actually stood a chance as long as he kept his distance by flying and focused on her helmet to give her a super migrain. If she can fly she might have those other abilities too making this a completely one sided fight.
It's just like inigo montoya vs captain america, if inigo was injected with super soldier serum and had a lightsaber.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Did Ultron ever have a vibranium body? I thought that was Vision. In any case, his latest body survived prolonged blasts from Thor, IM and Vision without getting incinerated.
Heck even Zod beams looked bigger and more destructive.
Originally posted by TH3_V01D
I found funny how people overhype that tri beam combo, Vision ''gem power'' really looked pretty lame and harmless compared to Doomsday nuclear vision.Heck even Zod beams looked bigger and more destructive.
Except that Thor's lightning alone has far stronger feats than Zod's heat vision