university activism?

Started by red g jacks3 pages

university activism?

what is going on at our universities... i thought these kids were supposed to be our best and brightest... i just don't see it.

here, these kids at princeton are protesting to get woodrow wilson's name off the building cause he supported segregation. a bit misguided perhaps... but the most reasonable protest you will see in this post.

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mizzou's prez was forced to resign because some black kid went on a hunger strike until he did so. his crime? not doing enough to fight racism...

start vid at 6:50
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and yes the news is covering this shit
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drama at yale over halloween costumes... and yea, someone did just shout "retweet"
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i mean this one just speaks for itself...
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more shit below
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...pretty sure that's the same sign 😂

so yea.... the **** is going on at our ivory towers? what are you guys doing?

Nope, not taking the bait.

what are you accusing me of exactly?

Originally posted by red g jacks
what are you accusing me of exactly?

being reactionary and not really attempting to understand why these people are protesting. Basically, cranky old man syndrome.

so educate me then...pick your protest and validate their reasoning... i've been looking for a voice of reason amidst their ranks... just haven't found one

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Nope, not taking the bait.
Take it.

Take it hard.

Originally posted by red g jacks
so educate me then...pick your protest and validate their reasoning... i've been looking for a voice of reason amidst their ranks... just haven't found one
i guess that's a no. it's funny that you feel you can just assume i haven't looked into their reasons for protesting and that i am unwilling to hear the voice of reason when you refuse to even try to explain it for yourself.

you know what i call that? phony. you're just taking the default pro-protester stance. basically, pussy-whipped boyfriend of an activist syndrome.

It's called being a clueless college kid.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It's called being a clueless college kid.
that's what it seems like to me, but what do i know? supposedly there is something really important behind these protests that i'm missing. only hip young people in the know are privy to this information.

let's go over these one by one... i will list (based on the words of the protesters themselves) why i think each of them is protesting. i invite somebody to come in here and either point out where i'm wrong about their reasons for protesting or defend the reasons that i list.

yale - the "intercultural affairs committee" issued an email advising students to avoid offensive halloween costumes or costumes that are "cutlurally appropriating." the headmaster's wife issued the following email response:

Dear Sillimanders:
Nicholas and I have heard from a number of students who were frustrated by the mass email sent to the student body about appropriate Halloween_wear. I’ve always found Halloween an interesting embodiment of more general adult worries about young people. As some of you may be aware, I teach a class on “The Concept of the Problem Child,” and I was speaking with some of my students yesterday about the ways in which Halloween – traditionally a day of subversion for children and young people – is also an occasion for adults to exert their control.
When I was young, adults were freaked out by the specter of Halloween candy poisoned by lunatics, or spiked with razor blades (despite the absence of a single recorded case of such an event). Now, we’ve grown to fear the sugary candy itself. And this year, we seem afraid that college students are unable to decide how to dress themselves on Halloween.
I don’t wish to trivialize genuine concerns about cultural and personal representation, and other challenges to our lived experience in a plural community. I know that many decent people have proposed guidelines on Halloween costumes from a spirit of avoiding hurt and offense. I laud those goals, in theory, as most of us do. But in practice, I wonder if we should reflect more transparently, as a community, on the consequences of an institutional (which is to say: bureaucratic and administrative) exercise of implied control over college students.
It seems to me that we can have this discussion of costumes on many levels: we can talk about complex issues of identify, free speech, cultural appropriation, and virtue “signalling.” But I wanted to share my thoughts with you from a totally different angle, as an educator concerned with the developmental stages of childhood and young adulthood.
As a former preschool teacher, for example, it is hard for me to give credence to a claim that there is something objectionably “appropriative” about a blonde_haired child’s wanting to be Mulan for a day. Pretend play is the foundation of most cognitive tasks, and it seems to me that we want to be in the business of encouraging the exercise of imagination, not constraining it. I suppose we could agree that there is a difference between fantasizing about an individual character vs. appropriating a culture, wholesale, the latter of which could be seen as (tacky)(offensive)(jejeune)(hurtful), take your pick. But, then, I wonder what is the statute of limitations on dreaming of dressing as Tiana the Frog Princess if you aren’t a black girl from New Orleans? Is it okay if you are eight, but not 18? I don’t know the answer to these questions; they seem unanswerable. Or at the least, they put us on slippery terrain that I, for one, prefer not to cross.
Which is my point. I don’t, actually, trust myself to foist my Halloweenish standards and motives on others. I can’t defend them anymore than you could defend yours. Why do we dress up on Halloween, anyway? Should we start explaining that too? I’ve always been a good mimic and I enjoy accents. I love to travel, too, and have been to every continent but Antarctica. When I lived in Bangladesh, I bought a sari because it was beautiful, even though I looked stupid in it and never wore it once. Am I fetishizing and appropriating others’ cultural experiences? Probably. But I really, really like them too.
Even if we could agree on how to avoid offense – and I’ll note that no one around campus seems overly concerned about the offense taken by religiously conservative folks to skin_revealing costumes – I wonder, and I am not trying to be provocative: Is there no room anymore for a child or young person to be a little bit obnoxious… a little bit inappropriate or provocative or, yes, offensive? American universities were once a safe space not only for maturation but also for a certain regressive, or even transgressive, experience;increasingly, it seems, they have become places of censure and prohibition. And the censure and prohibition come from above, not from yourselves! Are we all okay with this transfer of power? Have we lost faith in young people's capacity – in your capacity _ to exercise self_censure, through social norming, and also in your capacity to ignore or reject things that trouble you? We tend to view this shift from individual to institutional agency as a tradeoff between libertarian vs. liberal values (“liberal” in the American, not European sense of the word).
Nicholas says, if you don’t like a costume someone is wearing, look away, or tell them you are offended. Talk to each other. Free speech and the ability to tolerate offence are the hallmarks of a free and open society.
But – again, speaking as a child development specialist – I think there might be something missing in our discourse about the exercise of free speech (including how we dress ourselves) on campus, and it is this: What does this debate about Halloween costumes say about our view of young adults, of their strength and judgment?
In other words: Whose business is it to control the forms of costumes of young people? It's not mine, I know that.
Happy Halloween.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrAtRest/comments/3rw5vb/this_email_written_by_a_yale_professor_on/

this is what the confrontation in the (4th) video was about. i'm not sure what other interpretation there could be. other issues that have been cited at yale include:

As best I can determine from various reports, they arose instead from discontent over (1) the fact that one of Yale’s colleges is named after John C. Calhoun, (2) the alleged exclusion of black female students from a fraternity party, and (3) the potential that someone might wear an “offensive” Halloween costume and the lack of enthusiasm by a headmaster’s wife (and maybe her headmaster husband) over censoring costumes.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/11/yale-president-apologizes-to-minority-students-for-failing-make-them-feel-safe.php

but you can see clearly from the video and the students own words that their main concern was with the headmaster and his wife's email "failing to make yale a safe space."

mizzou - the president's inaction at fighting racism. this is what the protesters themselves say, this is why the kid went on a hunger strike. he refused to give it up until the president specifically resigned. as far as the racism in question, the only examples i've found are 1)a student disrupted an event by calling the people there n*ggers. he was punished... but they didn't think the punishment was enough. 2) somebody smeared a swastika with their own shit on a bathroom wall. nobody knows who did it, what is the president supposed to do? 3) a student says he was called a ****** by some people in a passing pickup truck - no indication whether those people were even students at the school or not.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/us/missouri-football-players-protest-president-resigns/

this is what a career is ended over? i thought liberals were supposed to be caring. the protesters in general are basically mad at the guy's icy response to their blocking his car with their demonstration:

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this is why he was specifically targeted as a symbolic scapegoat for the vague racism that had occurred on campus. and, like in any other totalitarian ideology, he not only resigns but has to come back and repent for his false sins as well.

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basically dude was too white to be president of mizzou with all the racism that is occuring

princeton: they are protesting over the name on the building. woodrow wilson. they don't like the historical connotations of segregation. that, as i said, is reasonable enough. but the counter arguments for keeping his name up are as well. namely that he "created a normative structure for international relations that led to the united nations "(see the first vid @ 9:00) and the college in question is his alma mater, and the building with his name on it is the wing dedicated to foreign policy and international affairs.

so what am i missing?

oh and i almost forgot the million student march or whatever that basically demands all the same shit bernie sanders promised in his imaginary america. that's an idea that is actually appealing to me, but they don't know how to pay for it. the girl went on tv and bombed. she looked like a spoiled little retard.

They are pro segregation, that alone shows anyone supporting them is a bigot.

what are you talking about pal?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/mizzou-protesters-literally-segregate-themselves-based-on-race/

These children are insane.

wow 😂

Okay wait no hold up. For at the very least the Halloween video you can't blame that on "cranky old man syndrome". There is no way that is any type of legit protest nor does it solve anything nor was it even over an issue that warranted a protest.

It's a f*cking Halloween costume, they need to get over it and stop acting like children. I swear before it was that people would sue you over anything, now people will protest over anything, even stupid shit. They are attending one of the best colleges in the country and behaving as if they don't belong in a community college.

At least in Missouri they were saying people were being actively racist towards them.

I'm not that much older then these people, but I just can't imagine getting so worked up that I would not only yell at someone like that, but do so in public and with people recording.

Originally posted by red g jacks
oh and i almost forgot the million student march or whatever that basically demands all the same shit bernie sanders promised in his imaginary america. that's an idea that is actually appealing to me, but they don't know how to pay for it. the girl went on tv and bombed. she looked like a spoiled little retard.

Were these the morons who thought that a 90% tax rate was a good idea?

But yeah, in general I would say that for the most part these are clueless, impressionable kids who think that a couple years at a college/university gives them the right to talk out their asses. The good news is that most of them will grow out of it, the bad news is that some won't and will become SJW ideologues who will continue to spread their shit ideas.

and btw... in the yale video, you see how they all start snapping their fingers? that's their version of clapping. they find actual clapping to be too triggering. 😂 if i didn't know better i'd honestly think this is some elaborate display of satire. as to the allegations that i'm cranky, i actually find this all very bizarre and thus entertaining. it's quite the spectacle.

Originally posted by red g jacks
and btw... in the yale video, you see how they all start snapping their fingers? that's their version of clapping. they find actual clapping to be too triggering. 😂 if i didn't know better i'd honestly think this is some elaborate display of satire. as to the allegations that i'm cranky, i actually find this all very bizarre and thus entertaining. it's quite the spectacle.

Yeah, it's basically Tumblr come to life. It's both entertaining and kind of scary at the same time.

It says a lot about how cynical we are as a collective that having a conscience is confused for being radical.

For what purpose should society idealize people who were morally bankrupt?

Originally posted by Tzeentch
It says a lot about how cynical we are as a collective that having a conscience is confused for being radical.

For what purpose should society idealize people who were morally bankrupt?

Don't worry, these people have no more or less of a conscience than everyone else, less probably.

George Washington, as well as the rest of the Founding Fathers, owned slaves. Why idolize these apparently morally bankrupt people?