Wolverine vs Bucky

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Yeah, because he was swinging wildly and was outclassed. Same as he would by Bucky no doubt. My argument is 110% sound if he uses that tactic. The main difference is available target areas. Bucky has to get a square hit on Logans jaw and it has to be a tko to win this fight.Logan can justbplay defense and Bucky will eventually bleed out or slow down enough for Logan to safely close in.

The problem with your scenario is that you're assuming Wolverine is fast enough to block Bucky's fists with his claws. I don't recall Wolverine displaying such reflexes. Even top level martial artists have a hard time catching another's fist, especially is that person knows how to throw a punh.

Plus, Bucky doesn't need to punch Logan in the jaw immediately. His healing factor doesn't mean he's immune to pain. If he gets punched in the gut he's going to double over. A punch to his kidneys will still hurt him. Let's not pretend that Wolverine can just tank Bucky's blows

Originally posted by FrothByte
The problem with your scenario is that you're assuming Wolverine is fast enough to block Bucky's fists with his claws. I don't recall Wolverine displaying such reflexes. Even top level martial artists have a hard time catching another's fist, especially is that person knows how to throw a punch.
Plus, Bucky doesn't need to punch Logan in the jaw immediately. His healing factor doesn't mean he's immune to pain. If he gets punched in the gut he's going to double over. A punch to his kidneys will still hurt him. Let's not pretend that Wolverine can just tank Bucky's blows

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Its not like high end Logan is simply going to fold in few hits either

Ok. Show me Wolverine tanking direct hits from someone with Bucky's strength (especially bionic arm) without folding for even a few seconds.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The problem with your scenario is that you're assuming Wolverine is fast enough to block Bucky's fists with his claws. I don't recall Wolverine displaying such reflexes. Even top level martial artists have a hard time catching another's fist, especially is that person knows how to throw a punh.

Plus, Bucky doesn't need to punch Logan in the jaw immediately. His healing factor doesn't mean he's immune to pain. If he gets punched in the gut he's going to double over. A punch to his kidneys will still hurt him. Let's not pretend that Wolverine can just tank Bucky's blows

He doesent have to be that fast if he is on the defensive, just keep his guard up and move his hands a few inches. He is fast enough for that, and it would be a guaranteed win every time. The main problem with my scenario is that Logan does not normally fight like that and would leave him open to the ko shots.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok. Show me Wolverine tanking direct hits from someone with Bucky's strength (especially bionic arm) without folding for even a few seconds.

Yeah, if Bucky got a gut shot in, Logan would fold or be knocked back. The arm is more than strong enough for that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok. Show me Wolverine tanking direct hits from someone with Bucky's strength (especially bionic arm) without folding for even a few seconds.

Originally posted by KingD19
Hulk is right.
During Logan's first fight with Sabretooth in Origins, after dropping a few tons of trees on him, Sabretooth picks one off of him, then yanks him up and tosses him in front of a speeding truck. He gets bounced up, bounces off some more trees, then falls on the train tracks where Victor snaps his claws.
Even in DoFP Magneto blasted him hundreds of feet away and he smacked into the water going a pretty good speed with multiple heavy pieces of metal piercing his body. He seemed just fine when they pulled him out.
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Skip to about 2:40 to see how easy it was for Victor to hoist that tree up. That thing is a few hundred pounds at the least.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Would several trees falling on him, then thrown by Sabretooth onto a speeding truck and then falling and getting his claws crushed by Sabes withotut adamantium do for you?

That just proves my point. He was clearly hurt by all those shots. He didn't simply tank them, he was groaning and moaning and having trouble getting up.

Originally posted by FrothByte
That just proves my point. He was clearly hurt by all those shots. He didn't simply tank them, he was groaning and moaning and having trouble getting up.

Those are great and helluva lot more power than what bucky can dish out. But I think he means a pinpoint shot to the gut. Obviously weaker but those attacks were absorbed by Logans whole body if that makes sense?

Its a little different. And when he says fold Im pretty sure he nust meant double over, not just fold up and the fights over.

Good fight though, agree with all of froths stuff, just think Bucky will lose a limb before Logan gets knocked out is all.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
He doesent have to be that fast if he is on the defensive, just keep his guard up and move his hands a few inches. He is fast enough for that, and it would be a guaranteed win every time. The main problem with my scenario is that Logan does not normally fight like that and would leave him open to the ko shots.

It's not quite that easy. There's a reason why boxers cover up or dodge and weave instead of moving their hands to block their opponents punches. It's not easy. As I said, if Wolverine was really that skilled, then Mystique and Sabertooth wouldn't have been able to hit him multiple times without getting their hands cut to ribbons. You did mention that Logan doesn't always fight like that, I just want one scenario that proves he actually has the reflexes to pull something like that off.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not quite that easy. There's a reason why boxers cover up or dodge and weave instead of moving their hands to block their opponents punches. It's not easy. As I said, if Wolverine was really that skilled, then Mystique and Sabertooth wouldn't have been able to hit him multiple times without getting their hands cut to ribbons. You did mention that Logan doesn't always fight like that, I just want one scenario that proves he actually has the reflexes to pull something like that off.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
He wasn't out cold and he didn't even have adamantium. So I am saying if Wolverine isn't considerable damaged he can fight through the pain

I never said he was going to get knocked out cold from a gut or kidney punch. I said he was going to fold, double over, crumple, etc...

That was clearly the case in the video you showed me.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Well in Last Stand he was blocking all those spikes that mutant threw at him. OR when he was blocking the sword strikes in The Wolverine. Or when he outmaneuvered Victor in Origins. He dodged some attacks from Deathstrike. There is a predecent

Projectiles thrown at you from a distance, especially ones that don't travel in high velocity, are easier to block since you have more time to react to them.

Sword strikes are easier to block than punches. Proof? Ask anyone who does sword fighting, and they'll tell you that it's possible to block sword strikes with your own sword or long weapon. Pretty common to actually block sword strikes. Ask anyone who does h2h martial arts and they'll tell you it's very hard to block another's punch with your own hands if the person delivering the blow is trained and skilled.

Dodging strikes from Deathstrike and Sabertooth is not the same as outrightly catching someone's fist in your hand (or claws). You need a specific feat for that. Thor catching IM's punch for example. Or Wolverine catching someone's fist with his claws.

Well, he doesn't have to catch it, just keep the pointed end between him and Bucky's arm and the arm will get messed up

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Well, he doesn't have to catch it, just keep the pointed end between him and Bucky's arm and the arm will get messed up

As I said, if it was that easy then why didn't he ever use that tactic? Especially when he was getting hit multiple times by Mystique or Sabertooth?

Wolverine for the win, bucky has to get in close to do damage to Wolverine and that isn't imo the best place to be.

Juggernaut didn't ko Logan with several strikes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Juggernaut didn't ko Logan with several strikes.

Logan's healing factor, adamantium frame, and claws are probably too much in the end. Also its not like Bucky will immediately KO him, and wouldn't he hurt himself by striking Logan with his fleshy hand? Once Logan connects he's done for, and he has the aforementioned healing factor that can shrug off at least an initial onslaught.

Its a decent fight though imho