Vader vs. Revan

Started by Beniboybling2 pages
Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anyway, I guess to start off this discussion, can anyone* actually show me impressive lightsaber / combat displays by Darth Vader besides 'killer?
Is there some reason why his performance against Starkiller is not relevant?
Darth Vader's title as Jedi Killer is inferior to Revan's army feats.
Considering it puts him in Jedi killing prowess above Darth Malgus, whose battlefield feats have never been replicated (by Revan or anyone else) and Tulak Hord, who defeated an army of 1,000 Jedi in the Battle of Chabosh, I'd say it does.

Kinda of puts him above Revan as a Jedi killer as well. 😉

Darth Vader may be physically stronger and have the edge in technical skill
True dat.
but Revan's faster
Which he'll counter with strength and superior technique.
more experienced
What advantages does Revan's experience afford that Vader lacks?
and has Battle Precognition.
Which let's be honest is his only absolute advantage, but it won't carry him.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Because he specifically knew Starkiller's fighting style, combat techniques, etc.

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I was referring to his title as a Jedi killer, not the end-all, be-all killer.

I don't think any quote establishes Vader as such since Book of the Sith.

And his killings are hardly "battlefield"-related accomplishments anyway.

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Just like he's going to counter Tano with superior strength and technique?

Strength isn't a counter to speed. You can't pound what you can't touch.

Darth Vader's fights with Jedi during the Great Jedi Purge is proof of this.

Battlefield experience is a greater tool to have than technical mastery.

Not only that but extensive battlefield experience can lead to mastery too.

I haven't seen any proof Vader even has technical mastery over Revan.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

I'd like to fanboy here, but I'm still coming to terms with the fact I defended Vader more than I did Jesus last night.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Embrace Bandonism, the belief in a being beyond God, and his son, the Taris Sith Governor, who saved us from our wrongful patrol patterns.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

BTW Beni, please don't type the ****ing Holy Bible part 3 to my response.

Keep it short and concise or I probably just won't respond in all honesty, thanks.

|King Joker| Your Excellency
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
You can't pound what you can't touch.
DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66
DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Beni's literally been responding to my post for over half an hour I think, kek

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
BTW Beni, please don't type the ****ing Holy Bible part 3 to my response.

Keep it short and concise or I probably just won't respond in all honesty, thanks.


Tbh, Beni, this isn't even a joke. Who writes an entire dissertation on why the Jedi should just let the Separatist win.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Assuming I don't do other things while responding to your crap. 🙄

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Because he specifically knew Starkiller's fighting style, combat techniques, etc.
The same being true of the reverse, not that that is any guarantee of victory.
I was referring to his title as a Jedi killer, not the end-all, be-all killer.

I don't think any quote establishes Vader as such since Book of the Sith.

And his killings are hardly "battlefield"-related accomplishments anyway.

Right because I wasn't? Malgus fought against the Jedi Order during the Great Galactic War, killing many Jedi, and Tulak Hord defeated 1,000 Jedi during the battle of Chabosh.

They are Jedi killers who Vader is superior to as far as killing Jedi goes, or rather as combatants.

So it stands to reason that he can replicate their cited battlefield/combat related accomplishments. Especially considering Hord's feat is essentially the slaughter of Jedi.

Just like he's going to counter Tano with superior strength and technique?
No shit lol. Unless you are actually implying she will win.
Strength isn't a counter to speed. You can't pound what you can't touch.
I cringed tbh.

Yes speed does give one an evasive advantage against a slower strength-orientated duelist, but it remains a fact that if they lack the strength advantage, they cannot meet their opponent head on without incurring a disadvantage. That puts them on the defense, and forces them to expend energy evading, while minimising oppurtunities to launch a counterattack.

And if pushed into a tight spot where they cannot evade, they are screwed.

Darth Vader's fights with Jedi during the Great Jedi Purge is proof of this.
Provide some (dated) examples. Your slow cyborg argument doesn't really stack up to his performance against Starkiller, who Vader repeatedly overpowers with his strength, and fails to himself achieve any real advantage with speed.
Battlefield experience is a greater tool to have than technical mastery.

Not only that but extensive battlefield experience can lead to mastery too.

I haven't seen any proof Vader even has technical mastery over Revan.

I haven't seen any proof of Revan's technical mastery at all tbh.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Making this as short as possible because I have no interest in this discussion with you:

Last time I checked they stalemated, or 'killer won, so 😂

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You missed the point. Quote me where it says Vader is superior since 2011 - 2012.

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She's going to pose a threat / challenge despite Vader's strength and superior mastery.

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Or they dodge their opponents power attacks, kek

We've seen this explicitly happen before in the comics.

Revan's Teleportation will suffice if he's in a jam.

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Like I said, I don't care for 'killer. Vader knew how to fight him. He won't with Revan.

And no, I'm not going to ignore every Vader fight besides his one will 'killer, that's retarded.

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To simply be a Jedi Knight you need to have at least mastered two to three fighting styles, bro.

Technical mastery is the most overrated thing ever.

You failed to respond last debate in regards to Kreia's quotes, remember?

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Making this as short as possible because I have no interest in this discussion with you:
>Calls for a discussion
>Whines when engaged in one
>Gets stomped in the polls

😂

Last time I checked they stalemated, or 'killer won, so 😂
Check again, Vader has his dead to rights twice over, the first time Marek escapes with a cheap shot, and the second time literally bluffs his way out.

Then Witwer comes along and says Vader let him win.

You missed the point. Quote me where it says Vader is superior since 2011 - 2012.
Wanna explain why I should first?
She's going to pose a threat / challenge despite Vader's strength and superior mastery.
For reasons you are assuming.
Or they dodge their opponents power attacks, kek
Lol, you missed the point, dodging doesn't win battles, it just expends energy and gives ground.
We've seen this explicitly happen before in the comics.
Tell me did any of those instances end with Vader losing?
Revan's Teleportation will suffice if he's in a jam.
Granted.
Like I said, I don't care for 'killer. Vader knew how to fight him. He won't with Revan.
Lol @ this blatant confirmation biased.
And no, I'm not going to ignore every Vader fight besides his one will 'killer, that's retarded.
Which is why I asked for dates, Vader lack of mobility became less and less of a problem as he grew accustomed to his suit, and grew more powerful. Unless its around 0 ABY or later its circumspect.
To simply be a Jedi Knight you need to have at least mastered two to three fighting styles, bro.
Well that's a start lol.
Technical mastery is the most overrated thing ever.
Inb4 reasons.
You failed to respond last debate in regards to Kreia's quotes, remember?
You mean Aurbere's point that Revan was a warrior? Hardly proves he mastered all seven styles.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

Originally posted by Beniboybling
>Calls for a discussion
>Whines when engaged in one
>Gets stomped in the polls

I meant with ares, Freshest, actual Vader supporters on KMC, etc.

Why would I ****ing want to debate you when we're all having a Vader x Revan debate on SWTOR?

Actually, scratch that, why would I ****ing want to debate you in general, kek?

The polls fluctuate. KMC's in the pro-Vader mood with his new comics coming out ever month. Not much of a surprise.

The same thing happened with Quinlan Vos. It calmed down a couple months after it was over, TBH.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

I have Vader and Revan pretty even, tbh, so I stay away from most of these.

DarthAnt66 DarthAnt66

The gap I have between Revan and Vader is like a >= (i.e. extremely small).

Dark-Kenshin Blocked

It's a good fight (especially with Vader's recent feats), but my main man Revan takes this. Too fast and too smart for Vader. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I meant with ares, Freshest, actual Vader supporters on KMC, etc.

Why would I ****ing want to debate you when we're all having a Vader x Revan debate on SWTOR?

Actually, scratch that, why would I ****ing want to debate you in general, kek?

Lol if you didn't want to have a debate you shouldn't have responded in the first place. But whining about it midway is just obnoxious.
The polls fluctuate. KMC's in the pro-Vader mood with his new comics coming out ever month. Not much of a surprise.

The same thing happened with Quinlan Vos. It calmed down a couple months after it was over, TBH.

Well those comics aren't stopping any time soon. 😉